Potentially a new idea for storing information in time itself and thus a new memory chip.

[Skybuck Flying]

The idea is as follows:

A signal of zero's and one's is sent across the wire.

The wire is connected with the device itself in a loop like fashion.

The device itself simply keeps repreating the signal.

Therefore in a way the information is encoded in "time" itself, as the bits
travel across the wire.

Then when it's time to read out the memory, it reads the signal while
sending it as well, and simply sends it to whatever requested it.

For writing it could simply start modifieing the signal as it repeats it.

So it's basically like an ethernet card connected to itself, constantly
repeating a signal.

Except now it's done at a micro level, so instead of transistors there would
be some kind of signal loop and read/write devices.

The longer the wire the more information can be stored.

So maybe it might be possible to store more information in this way because
the wires could be thinner than transistors (?!?).

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Some questions to answer to see if this idea has any merit is the following:

1. What is the true speed of electricity ?
2. How long would the wire be in nanometers ?
3. Ultimately how much information could be stored in the wire ?

Additional questions:

4. Can the electricity be made to flow slower in such a way that perhaps
more information could be stored ?
Or in other words: Does speed of electricity influence the ammount of
information that can be stored, maybe not or maybe yes slightly.

5. Ultimately: how much information can be stored in electricity, this is
probably fluctuations related. How fast can electricity be made to fluctuate
to signal 0 or 1.

So some formula:

MaximumElectricityFluctuationsPerSecond.

^ I guess that's what it's probably about, that's probably the end result.
Simply one little number.

What determines this number is yet to been seen

Perhaps it's the size of a signal electron versus the size of an atom of
wire.

So perhaps the answer could be as simple as:

Maximum ammount of information that can be store in wire is: "electrons per
atom".

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Using the spinning direction of a single atom might be to much to ask for.

However using 2 electrons to signal 0 or 1 might be possible.

Or maybe electrons can have negative and positive charge ?

I am not sure what negative or positive is in relation to electron is it the
way it spins ?

Maybe it has anothing to do with electrons.

But more electrons = more power more voltage and stuff like that.

So the minimum is probably two electrons per time.

One electron per time = 0
Two electron per time = 1

Which should be enough to establish a binary system across the electron
stream.

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Skybuck Flying]

This is also a nice idea for a weapon in a game:

"The electron stream blaster" ! =D

or

"The electron blaster".

or a real weapon like a television crt on steroids:

"The electron cannon"

The visualization of it would be like a super super super super shotgon
firing millions of little projectons onto the target.

Like a scattered/noisy wave of light/particles/electrons which might also
heat up the entire air along it's path giving off an incredible glow.

Like a super beam of light.

Then hopefully totally disintegrating/vaporizing the enemy/target.

Or perhaps something else happens, the information which is stored in the
electrons and atom of target is disrupted and thus it should disintegrate or
overload... maybe it will explode or glow in a horrible death

Or maybe it/all the atoms will fall apart.

Maybe the huge electron stream has micro/quantum-effects where suddenly the
gravity/attraction between the atoms is negated, it's no more existent and
the target disintegrates once again... it simply falls to the floor... like
a melting terminator from terminator 2 but even faster... like ashes or so !
=D or just melting is good enough =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Skybuck Flying]

It would then become known among gamers and perhaps military personal as:

"The melt gun".

So might as well call it a:

"Melt gun".

This should be an easy effect to implement in games...

All the verteces of the 3d models/polygons slowly fall to the ground ! =D

Ofcourse "easy" is just theory... doing it well will probably require some
nice algorithm to make it look a little bit more special like wobbly
effect... not everything melts at the same speed... geometry shaders/vertex
shaders should be able to do this effect by now in realtime ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Nice science-fiction idea too:

I can imagine an alien civilization where they used planets or spaceships in
space, to create huge distances between them.

And then use many many many many many lasers to cheaply get huge ammount of
storage capacity ! =D
("multi-laser-arrays")

It's like free capacity almost ! =D just like making processor tick
faster is sort of free computational power !

Bye,
Skybuck.


"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message

"Jean-Marc Bourguet" wrote in message

The idea is as follows:

A signal of zero's and one's is sent across the wire.

The wire is connected with the device itself in a loop like fashion.

"
Please look up delay line memory, for instance in wikipedia.
"

Done, I quickly scanned the text:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_line_memory

This is very cool:

"

Optical delay line memory

In the 1980s a team associated with Prof. William Wolf at University of
Colorado-Boulder were experimenting with all-optical computers and needed
memory that was fast enough to keep up with the optical switches of the
processing unit. Their solution was to bounce a laser beam off the corner
reflector that had been left on the Moon by the Apollo astronauts[citation
needed], and encode the memory as pulses on the laser beam. With light
taking around 2.5 seconds for a round trip to the Moon, and using terahertz
pulse rates, the beam had a capacity of several trillion bits. This made it
both the longest delay line and the highest capacity memory of any sort
available at the time, although of course the apparatus only worked when the
Moon was above the horizon

"

And makes me giggle

Who would have tought that putting a reflector on the moon would benefit
computing ! =D

Makes me go:

"Ya never know what it's good for ! =D"

Totally lolling ! =D

I do wonder though:

Why has this not ended up in todays consumer electronics is there some kind
of problem with it ?

Perhaps the read-out and write-out takes too long ? The article does seem
to hint at this somewhat "microseconds" but that was many many many
years/decades ago (ww2/1940/etc).

Bye,

Skybuck =D

 

[John Devereux]

The idea is as follows:

A signal of zero's and one's is sent across the wire.

The wire is connected with the device itself in a loop like fashion.

The device itself simply keeps repreating the signal.

Therefore in a way the information is encoded in "time" itself, as the
bits travel across the wire.

Then when it's time to read out the memory, it reads the signal while
sending it as well, and simply sends it to whatever requested it.

For writing it could simply start modifieing the signal as it repeats it.

So it's basically like an ethernet card connected to itself,
constantly repeating a signal.

Except now it's done at a micro level, so instead of transistors there
would be some kind of signal loop and read/write devices.

The longer the wire the more information can be stored.

So maybe it might be possible to store more information in this way
because the wires could be thinner than transistors (?!?).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_line_memory

"With light taking around 2.5 seconds for a round trip to the Moon, and
using terahertz pulse rates, the beam had a capacity of several trillion
bits. This made it both the longest delay line and the highest capacity
memory of any sort available at the time, although of course the
apparatus only worked when the Moon was above the horizon."

 

[Skybuck Flying]

"John Devereux" wrote in message

The idea is as follows:

A signal of zero's and one's is sent across the wire.

The wire is connected with the device itself in a loop like fashion.

The device itself simply keeps repreating the signal.

Therefore in a way the information is encoded in "time" itself, as the
bits travel across the wire.

Then when it's time to read out the memory, it reads the signal while
sending it as well, and simply sends it to whatever requested it.

For writing it could simply start modifieing the signal as it repeats it.

So it's basically like an ethernet card connected to itself,
constantly repeating a signal.

Except now it's done at a micro level, so instead of transistors there
would be some kind of signal loop and read/write devices.

The longer the wire the more information can be stored.

So maybe it might be possible to store more information in this way
because the wires could be thinner than transistors (?!?).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_line_memory

"With light taking around 2.5 seconds for a round trip to the Moon, and
using terahertz pulse rates, the beam had a capacity of several trillion
bits. This made it both the longest delay line and the highest capacity
memory of any sort available at the time, although of course the
apparatus only worked when the Moon was above the horizon."

Ok lol.

When can we buy one ? =D

Maybe we should be launching more reflectors into space ! =D

Or maybe we can find something else in space to reflect beams off ! =D

Then we only need some more lasers ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[EricP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_line_memory

"With light taking around 2.5 seconds for a round trip to the Moon, and
using terahertz pulse rates, the beam had a capacity of several trillion
bits. This made it both the longest delay line and the highest capacity
memory of any sort available at the time, although of course the
apparatus only worked when the Moon was above the horizon."

Delay lines are so 50's.

First, you want to transmit your data as entanged holograms:

Physicists Produce Quantum-Entangled Images
http://www.nist.gov/pml/div684/quantum_images.cfm

then you use "slow light"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_light

to delay one of the images:

NIST/Maryland Researchers Demonstrate 'Quantum Data Buffering' Scheme
'Delayed Quantum Image' Potentially Useful for Quantum Computers
http://www.nist.gov/pml/div684/databuffering_02-12-09.cfm

Now this is the part that really blows me away:
"The correlations between the two entangled images still occur but they
are out of sync. A flicker in the first image would have a corresponding
flicker in the slowed-down image up to 27 nanoseconds later."

Eric

 

[Skybuck Flying]

"
Maybe we should be launching more reflectors into space ! =D

Or maybe we can find something else in space to reflect beams off ! =D
"

Here is an idea:

Reflect beams off of satelitte solar panels.

They might even be stationair and provide consistency.

Those closer to earth and bigger so might be easier unless they move
somewhat irreggularly, sometimes they might fire their engines to correct
their paths/height and such so maybe needs to be compensated over time...

I guess my nightly observation might have been helpfull and usefull for
something after all ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[gregz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_line_memory

"With light taking around 2.5 seconds for a round trip to the Moon, and
using terahertz pulse rates, the beam had a capacity of several trillion
bits. This made it both the longest delay line and the highest capacity
memory of any sort available at the time, although of course the
apparatus only worked when the Moon was above the horizon."

We used to range the moon using a psudo random pulse train that lasted
longer than the round trip. After that, Doppler took over and added or
subtracted the range. This was actually used in a VLBI experiment at MIT.
The devices used were alsep's.

Greg

 

[Morten Reistad]

... snip ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_line_memory

"With light taking around 2.5 seconds for a round trip to the Moon, and
using terahertz pulse rates, the beam had a capacity of several trillion
bits. This made it both the longest delay line and the highest capacity
memory of any sort available at the time, although of course the
apparatus only worked when the Moon was above the horizon."

And at 71 milliseconds round trip, theoretical capacity of 1.6 terabits
a transatlantic cable like TAT14 stores around 14 gigabytes worth of data.

The internet as a whole transmits 100+ times as much data as this
in a busy moment (rough estimate), and the average round trip is slightly longer;
around 90 ms.

It is still only around 2 terabytes worth of data in transit.

-- mrr

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Well if you look at it that way "as information in transit".

Than light and perhaps radio waves is probably the superior way of
transmitting information and perhaps even storing information.

Since the whole universe is now "leaking" into the eye's of the likes hubble
telescope and such

And apperently there is a whole lot of information coming in from the stars
!

Via light and radio.

Ask SETI how they are doing with that

Apperently they need huge ammounts of processing power to try and cut
through the noise (?!?).

So is it really noise or is it simply a decoding problem

Our eyes seem to receive lot's of information from the stars just fine

But for some reason we still don't receive ET LOL.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Jamie]

Delay lines are so 50's.

First, you want to transmit your data as entanged holograms:

Physicists Produce Quantum-Entangled Images
http://www.nist.gov/pml/div684/quantum_images.cfm

then you use "slow light"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_light

to delay one of the images:

NIST/Maryland Researchers Demonstrate 'Quantum Data Buffering' Scheme
'Delayed Quantum Image' Potentially Useful for Quantum Computers
http://www.nist.gov/pml/div684/databuffering_02-12-09.cfm

Now this is the part that really blows me away:
"The correlations between the two entangled images still occur but they
are out of sync. A flicker in the first image would have a corresponding
flicker in the slowed-down image up to 27 nanoseconds later."

Hi,

In the image of their setup on that page, their "entanglement generation
block" is similar to a conventional beam splitter, which as shown in the
diagram creates one rightside up and one upside down image. This can be
explained by simple wave based ideas of light, so then if they increase
the path length for one of the images it will take longer to measure it
than the other path. In fact it kind of disproves the idea of
instantaneous spooky action at a distance and just shows its a wave
based phenomenon not dependent on instantaneous changes of state of
photons far away.

cheers,
Jamie

 

[Uwe Hercksen]

The idea is as follows:

A signal of zero's and one's is sent across the wire.

Hello,

it is not a new idea, this was used many decades ago, also with
ultrasonic waves in glas or metall wires.
It is no random access memory.

Bye

 

[EricP]

Hi,

In the image of their setup on that page, their "entanglement generation
block" is similar to a conventional beam splitter, which as shown in the
diagram creates one rightside up and one upside down image. This can be
explained by simple wave based ideas of light, so then if they increase
the path length for one of the images it will take longer to measure it
than the other path. In fact it kind of disproves the idea of
instantaneous spooky action at a distance and just shows its a wave
based phenomenon not dependent on instantaneous changes of state of
photons far away.

cheers,
Jamie

From those articles, yes it might be classical.
However the papers go into more detail on
how they test the entanglement.

The first article is detailed in the following paper.
It discusses how they show the images were entangled and
"We have verified the presence of entanglement between the
multi-mode beams by analyzing the amplitude difference and
the phase sum noise using a dual homodyne detection scheme".

Squeezed Light and Entangled Images from
Four-Wave-Mixing in Hot Rubidium Vapor (2008)
http://arxiv.org/abs/0811.1243

The second article is detailed in the following paper.
(a bit of a crumby scan of the Nature paper, but readable).
They test for entanglement as the delay is varied.

Tunable Delay of Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen Entanglement (2009)
http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication-search.cfm?pub_id=900164

Eric

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Or how about this:

Two big mirrors both on earth.

And then let a laser reflect between them.

At the very end they are reflected back slightly different or simply put
receiver on other side.

This should increase the path the laser follows, so more length...

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Hmmm, maybe the universe itself is a very good way of preserving our data
somehow.

It takes billions of years for the light to reach us.

We transmit all of our data in light or radio or something into the galaxy.

That way our data keeps travelling for billions of years.

While on earth all hardware devices come and go... but our signals keep
travelling.

If we could find a big reflector in space then we could aim the beam at
that.

And then some day in the future we could recollect all the information that
we sent/shot at it !

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

What we could do is the following:

1. We can design a spaceship/spacecraft, like voyager

2. and send it into space with it's sole purpose to function as a reflector
for us.

3. And then we can use it to keep sending laser beams at it.

4. Then it becomes our way of storing information in the galaxy.

5. The further away it gets the more information we can store.

Hopefully it will then be possible to eventually store years of data.

First 1 year then 10 years then 100 years and then 1000's of years.

That would be cool.

And all we would need for it to recollect data is laser beams and such

Perhaps if the laser beam starts to act weird we might also discover some
weird fluctuations in space ! For new theories or something or new
discoveries !

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

One potential benefit and problem at the same time is:

1. The laser beam would start to accelerate the spacecraft.

2. The spacecraft might start to move at the speed of light and maybe even
fall apart or disintegrate.

3. Perhaps this can be prevented by generating some heat on the other side
of the spacecraft so it functions as a counter-force.

If heat is enough to counter/balance a laser beam I don't know this will
have to be experimented with or calculated.

Maybe there is another way to produce a counter force to keep it steady

Bye,
Skybuck.