Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?

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Its a tiny part of world energy consumption.

Do you have figures or reference to show that this endless manufacture
and replace with new process is a tiny part of world energy
consumption? I'd just assumed it was a major energy consumer.


NT

 

[Nate Nagel]

Do you have figures or reference to show that this endless manufacture
and replace with new process is a tiny part of world energy
consumption? I'd just assumed it was a major energy consumer.


NT

At least WRT automobiles, we could save a lot of energy by repairing
existing ones. I'm not sure what exactly it "costs" in energy to build
a car, but I seem to recall that it's something on the order of that
consumed by 10 years of regular use.

nate

 

[Leonardo]

Manufacturer's recommended oil change interval for the Peugeot 407 is 20,000
miles.

Probably why they don't sell them in the 'States'


LA

 

[Rod Speed]

[email protected] wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Do you have figures or reference to show that this endless manufacture
and replace with new process is a tiny part of world energy consumption?

Dont need them. Even the most superficial analysis of the
energy use of a household will show that the energy use for
heating, cooling, transport etc leaves the energy use for the
manufacture of domestic appliance replacement for dead.

I'd just assumed it was a major energy consumer.

More fool you.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Andrew VK3BFA <[email protected]> desperately
attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and
fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door.

Even Telecom had noticed what a completely unemployable dud it was.

 

[SMS]

Most new cars recommend 3000 miles under severe conditions.

Not true.

Some recommend 3000. A lot more recommend 5000 for severe, 7500 for
"normal."

The real problem is that the oil change industry has apparently
convinced many people that just about all driving falls into the severe
service category, even though the manufacturer makes it perfectly clear
what they consider severe service, and in reality few people fall into
that category.

Since there's no real downside, at least for the vehicle, in having
unnecessary oil changes, the "cheap insurance" excuses is regularly
trotted out.

Are you going to believe Honda and Toyota, two companies that are
absolutely anal about their reputation for long term dependability, or
are you going to believe Jiffy Lube?

 

[Vic Smith]

Not true.

Some recommend 3000. A lot more recommend 5000 for severe, 7500 for
"normal."

The real problem is that the oil change industry has apparently
convinced many people that just about all driving falls into the severe
service category, even though the manufacturer makes it perfectly clear
what they consider severe service, and in reality few people fall into
that category.

Since there's no real downside, at least for the vehicle, in having
unnecessary oil changes, the "cheap insurance" excuses is regularly
trotted out.

Are you going to believe Honda and Toyota, two companies that are
absolutely anal about their reputation for long term dependability, or
are you going to believe Jiffy Lube?

A person forks over $30,000.00 or $40,000.00 to one of those dealers
you speak of who says from behind his $500 suit, "Nah, just change
the oil every 5,000 miles and don't worry about. Excuse me, I've got
to talk to a customer"
Same person pulls into a Jiffy Lube maybe 4 times a year and hears
an earnest kid in greasy overalls say "Oil and filter changed, added 2
pounds of air to front left and right rear tire, air filter ok, trans
fluid ok, topped off the washer fluid. You might want to get your
serpentine belt checked, sir. It's frayed. That'll be $21.99, sir.
Thank you for using Jiffy Lube. See you in 3 months or 3000 miles."

What's the better experience?
Now it's time for you to trot out the tales of oil streaks on the road
leaving Jiffy Lube and a blown engine because the kid cross threaded
the drain plug.
You got your stories, I got mine.

--Vic

 

[Mark Rand]

Probably why they don't sell them in the 'States'


LA

Maybe you need to look for automobiles with decent engines then


Mark Rand
RTFM

 

[Gunner]

A person forks over $30,000.00 or $40,000.00 to one of those dealers
you speak of who says from behind his $500 suit, "Nah, just change
the oil every 5,000 miles and don't worry about. Excuse me, I've got
to talk to a customer"
Same person pulls into a Jiffy Lube maybe 4 times a year and hears
an earnest kid in greasy overalls say "Oil and filter changed, added 2
pounds of air to front left and right rear tire, air filter ok, trans
fluid ok, topped off the washer fluid. You might want to get your
serpentine belt checked, sir. It's frayed. That'll be $21.99, sir.
Thank you for using Jiffy Lube. See you in 3 months or 3000 miles."

What's the better experience?
Now it's time for you to trot out the tales of oil streaks on the road
leaving Jiffy Lube and a blown engine because the kid cross threaded
the drain plug.
You got your stories, I got mine.

--Vic

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/jiffy_lube_damage.html

Raymond of Warminster PA (10/31/05)
My 2001 Camry was in the shop for an oil change on Sept. 06, 2005. Their
shop order indicated date of service as Aug.31. After driving to the
Jersey Shore on Wed., Sept. 07 and subsequent driving on Thurs. and
Friday I noticed a strange texture to the rear pasenger mat. On checking
further I found the floor flooded as was the case under the front
pasenger mat. It took two days of mopping and shop vac. at home to suck
up the water. On taking the car to my mechanic I learned that the air
conditioner drain hose had been deliberately shoved up into the car body
and that was the cause of the flood. It was fished down and the problem
was eleminated. The mechanic asured me that this could have only been
done deliberately as the hose was pushed well back from the opening.

I rather like this one....

"They also had poor customer service one of the employee that started on
my car went over to another customer's car and started smoking
marijuanna i made sure he didnt get back under my hood what good that
did it still got messed up all i want is my car fix I am a single
working mother attending school and it is hard trying to get around
without my own transportation I have to pay someone everyday to take me
around and i have missed days off work because i couldnt find someone I
call the region office and they told me I would hear from a distrct
manager I havent heard from one yet Would you please help me to get this
resolved.........

Gunner

"Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits"
John Griffin

 

[The Real Bev]

Shades of OfficeMax!

Man, what a memory! I'd forgotten that.

 

[scenario_dave]

Most new cars recommend 3000 miles under severe conditions. For normal
use, 7500 is typical today as stated in my GM and Hyundai manuals. I've
been doing that in my cars for years. Works well for my driving conditions.
The oil change places give you that little sticker for 3000 miles under any
condition because they want to sell oil changes.

If you tell people 3000, a lot of them will start thinking about it at
3500 and get around to doing it at 5000 or 6000. If you say 7500, they
get around to it at 10,000 to 12,000. So if the ideal is to change it
at 7,500, your better off saying 3000, so most of the people will
change it before 7,500. Saves a lot of hasle in the long run.

 

[Edwin Pawlowski]

That'll be $21.99, sir.
Thank you for using Jiffy Lube. See you in 3 months or 3000 miles."

He make shis living changing oil. What do you expect him to say?

What's the better experience?
You got your stories, I got mine.

The better experience is my own evaluation of my own driving habits and
conditions as well as reading what the manufacturer of the engine and
testing laboratories conclude. Short distance driving in cold weather?
Certainly 3000 miles is a good idea. Longer distances in temperate
climates? Easily 7500 miles. Having put 200,000 miles on cars with that
change interval, I'd conclude it works for me. Only car I ever had an oil
related problem was one I bought used with 100,000 miles on it and it was
the GM 3.8 V-6 of the early 80's. I have no idea how, if ever, the oil was
changed in it.

 

[[email protected]]

If you tell people 3000, a lot of them will start thinking about it at
3500 and get around to doing it at 5000 or 6000. If you say 7500, they
get around to it at 10,000 to 12,000. So if the ideal is to change it
at 7,500, your better off saying 3000, so most of the people will
change it before 7,500. Saves a lot of hasle in the long run.

I think 5000 cuz it's easy to see on the odometer but usually procrastinate till
about 7000.

 

[lsmartino]

Andrew VK3BFA ha escrito:

Sadly, I do despair at the lack of basic intellectual ability and
elementary social skills of some of my own countrymen - fortunately,
Rod is a special case and beyond being irritating is of no real
consequence in any society. Its like wrestling with a bagful of snakes
- interesting at first as a challenge, but eventually tiring.

Rod has achieved notoriety - his "insults" have been immortalized in
its own website at

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where you can type in a phrase and get a "Roddism" in return. Saves
time replying to his ravings.

Don´t forget this other website:

http://www.ozdebate.net/rod.html

seems like the guy is a legend. I wonder if he speaks other languages
besides english... if he can annoy the english speaker world, I guess
he will have the talent to show his "gifted skills" in other languages
too.

 

[Rod Speed]

Andrew VK3BFA ha escrito:

Don´t forget this other website:

http://www.ozdebate.net/rod.html

seems like the guy is a legend.

I am indeed. Eat your heart out, wogchild.

I wonder if he speaks other languages besides english...

Nope, never bothered with the babble you stupid wogs get up to.

if he can annoy the english speaker world,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, wogchild.

I guess he will have the talent to show his "gifted skills" in other languages too.

Guess again, wogchild.

 

[lsmartino]

Let´s do an experiment ===> Rod vs. Rod !!


Rod Speed ha escrito:

I am indeed. Eat your heart out, wogchild.

Keep furiously sweeping the awkward evidence under the carpet.

Nope, never bothered with the babble you stupid wogs get up to.

It's a tad more complicated than that.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, wogchild.

Fraid not.

Guess again, wogchild.

You really are a juvenile little child.




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[SMS]

You got your stories, I got mine.

They're not my stories. There are regularly warnings by automotive
columnists and mechanics to avoid the quick-change oil change places
like the plague, as well as the horror stories of customers that have
had their vehicles damaged by these places.

I'm not risking my vehicle to a place like that. I'll bring it to a
reputable independent mechanic, do it myself, or go to the dealer if
they have a good price. Usually the Toyota dealer has an oil change deal
that is cheaper than Jiffy Lube, plus they are using better quality
filters, and more experienced mechanics.

 

[SMS]

If you tell people 3000, a lot of them will start thinking about it at
3500 and get around to doing it at 5000 or 6000. If you say 7500, they
get around to it at 10,000 to 12,000. So if the ideal is to change it
at 7,500, your better off saying 3000, so most of the people will
change it before 7,500. Saves a lot of hasle in the long run.

LOL. Maybe some people are like this. I try to do the maintenance as
close as possible to the proper interval, so I can keep on schedule over
the long haul.

It's becoming moot as more and more vehicles have service interval
indicators that are based on driving conditions, temperature, etc.

 

[SMS]

He make shis living changing oil. What do you expect him to say?



The better experience is my own evaluation of my own driving habits and
conditions as well as reading what the manufacturer of the engine and
testing laboratories conclude. Short distance driving in cold weather?

Yes, if you _only_ do short distances, you build up moisture in the oil
system which doesn't get vaporized by engine heat. But short trips with
occasional longer trips and freeway driving gets rid of that moisture.

All the experts agree that 3000 mile oil changes are almost always
unnecessary for normal service.

There are sometimes side benefits to the 3000 mile changes, such as when
people have an oil burning engine yet never check or top off their oil.
The 3000 mile oil changes mean that they'll have a lot more oil in their
engine, on average, than if they did 7500 mile changes. There were some
Saturn engines where the oil needed to be exceptionally clean because it
was used to hydraulically to tension the timing chain. Varnish build-up
in the timing chain tensioner bore could cause the tensioner mechanism
to malfunction, and lead to timing chain failure. But these sorts of
issues are pretty rare.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some stupid wog claiming to be
just the puerile shit you'd expect from a stupid wog.