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Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?

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clare at snyder.on.ca

Nope, just bad design.



Wrong, most obviousy with the card pockets that the cards wont fit into.

Anyone with a clue would return a wallet like that, so there
is absolutely no point in designing it like that deliberately.


Because it clearly wasnt. Novel concept I realise.
Just not designed for american sized money and cards. Would likely
hold the currency of half the world with no problem. Ditto for the
cards?? Mabee.
Part of the "global economy".
ANd you can't buy an american made leather wallet any more - at least
I haven't seen Canadian or American made ones in over 5 years.
 
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clare at snyder.on.ca

You do not u nderstand what is the meaning of words such as "intent"
or "intentional". An act is intentional if its outcome is known. So if
tey make a wallet that would not hold credit cards, or a tea kettle
with obviously inadequate hinges -- the outcome is known and that is,
therefore, an intentional outcome.

i
The definition of negligence.
doing something harmful when the outcome can reasonably be
anticipated.
 
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clare at snyder.on.ca

There's the key, an extra few cents. 2 cents times 2 million kettles and
you're talking 40 grand, that's not minuscule, even for a big company.

10 cents is even more significant, when you're manufacturing millions of
things, pennies *do* matter. You can get something that cost an extra 10
cents to make, but it will cost you an extra 10 bucks to buy and the
average consumer not knowing the difference will buy the cheaper one.

It's all about offering the lowest price and making the most profit per
sale, they don't intentionally try to make it break, they just don't
care if it does so long as it lasts through the warranty.

Negligent design, penny driven.
 
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clare at snyder.on.ca

There is no practical alternative, like I said.

The public certainly isnt going to wear 'environmental'
fools proclaiming that they cant have modern electronic
devices because of some purported long term costs.

And what long term costs there are are completely trivial
compared with the long term costs of the food industry
alone, let alone the car industry, etc etc etc anyway.

BS.
When we're finished with food it is "totally recycled"
Yes, there is the transportation, but disposal of the end of life
product is not a terribly serious issue.

With cars, they are over 95% recycleable - and they ARE recycled.
Tires are aproblem, but advances are being made there.
With electronics, it all ends up in landfill. There is SOME progress
being made - but the imposition of a $10 disposal fee at the consumer
level has ended up with all kinds of monitors etc being dumped beside
the road. Overall, significantly less than FIVE PERCENT of all
consumer electronics devices are recycled, or properly disposed of.
Less than ONE PERCENT of replaceable, non rechargeable batteries are
responsibly disposed of.
Well over NINETY PERCENT of automotive batteries are recycles and
responsibly disposed of.
 
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clare at snyder.on.ca

It would seem that you are a stranger to good manners...and would not
know the truth if it bit you on the butt.

The current DVD sales are a typical case of market dumping...happens
all the time.

Get back to me in a few years and let's talk about how many DVD sets
are being trashed because of failures.

Ask any repair person how the quality of VHS players have declined over
the years...the same goes with DVD units. I have some older DVD units
that cost serious money and their internal design is excellent. The
newer units are built with intended obselescene in mind...in other
words they are built like crap. Guess which ones will be running a few
years from now? You might want to check the numbers on returns of DOA
units also....many of the currently cheap units don't work out of the
box.

And oh...one more thing...are you posting from China?
Same thing with CD ROM drives.
I sold many of the first CD ROM drives sold in Canada. We are talking
1985 ish. That's TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO. Some of those drives are still
fully functional.
Today's crop don't last 5 years (actually, that's YESTERDAY's crop.)
I'm replacing 2 year old "brand name" CD drives quite regularly.
 
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clare at snyder.on.ca

Oil change every 1500 miles
Adjust valves every 6000 miles.
Decarbonize every 25000 miles OR
Valve job every 30,000 miles.
Rings and bearings at about 50,000 miles.
Spark plugs and points every 12000 miles.
Adjust timing and carb about the same time.
rebuild the carb every 30,000 miles or 3 years.
Adjust the choke twice a year (if in cold winter areas)
replace generator brushes every 12000 miles.
Replace engine main seals every 50,000 miles
Replace ball joints and shocks every 2 years
rebuild brake cyls every 3 years.
replace exhaust aprox every 18 months.
replace rad hoses and fan belts roughly every 2 years.

If the body lasted five years without rust-through you were doing well
indeed. (here in the salty great white north)
A paint job was good for about 5 years, and a ten year old car was
JUNK.
A car with 100,000 miles on it was a rarity (160,000 km) Today 240,000
km is "nicely broken in" and 350,000km is not out of the ordinary. -
and that's without even opening the engine - all the original factory
gaskes/sealant still in place in many cases.
Of course, there are MANY that never make it, due to abuse, neglect,
poor design - but a VERY FEW back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s made
100,000 miles without some MAJOR repair, and a LOT of maintenance.

Leaded fuel was a large part of the cause, engine-wise.
 
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Too_Many_Tools

"The environment is completely irrelevant. Discarded electronic
devices are a trivial part of the total waste and manufacturing
stream and the environmental downsides are back in china
with the manufacturing anyway. "

Wrong...it is one of the worst.

As I said, the industry will need to deal with it.

TMT
 
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Too_Many_Tools

No one would actually be that stupid.
You haven't dealt with the finance people I have....they are.

Cost point is EVERYTHING (it determines the CEO's bonus) so any and all
decisions revolve around it.

Companies will gladly produce junk if the consumer will buy it...and
they do.

Again, reference Walmart and their success selling crap.

Oh...did I mention that Walmart is the nation's largest seller of
electronics.

TMT
 
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Too_Many_Tools

Sorry to disappoint you Rod but I do just as Ig does....Walmart gets as
little of my money as I can make happen.

Our opinion is shared by many others....been paying attention to the
decline of Walmart's profits lately?

Be sure to look when you walk by Walmart headquarters....I wouldn't
want you to get hit by a falling executive.

TMT
 
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Andy Cuffe

There's a way to adjust them which differs depending on the model. If
it has the darkness knob on the side, you can pull off the knob and
rotate the shaft until it has the correct darkness. If it has a
slider on the front, there is a small hole in the right side where the
sub-darkness screw adjustment is located.

Andy Cuffe

[email protected]
 
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Homer J Simpson

The trouble is that there is no easy to way get a real handle on what
products on offer will last significantly longer with most appliances.

And its arguable how many really care that much about that sort of
thing now with the appliances so cheap and so trivially affordable.

When all stores sell the same items and no salesperson can convince the
consumer that any given product is better than all of the rest people will
choose the cheapest.







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Too_Many_Tools

There is SOME progress
being made - but the imposition of a $10 disposal fee at the consumer
level has ended up with all kinds of monitors etc being dumped beside
the road.

Wrong approach.

Pay the consumer $10 for proper disposal and the roadside dumping will
disappear over night.

As I said, the disposal is being charged against the consumer at the
end of life of the product...in time the politicians will get it right
and charge for it at the beginning of the product sale.

TMT
 
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Too_Many_Tools

Sorry but I did not mention what education background I have....none of
your business. ;<)

The cost of handling a product would be factored into the original sale
price...and the company producing it would be liable for disposal.

And yeah...I know you don't like that answer...no one including
Corporate America likes being held accountable for their actions.

TMT
 
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clare at snyder.on.ca

Wrong approach.

Pay the consumer $10 for proper disposal and the roadside dumping will
disappear over night. Correct. Definitely.

As I said, the disposal is being charged against the consumer at the
end of life of the product...in time the politicians will get it right
and charge for it at the beginning of the product sale.

TMT
 
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Too_Many_Tools

Same thing with CD ROM drives.
I sold many of the first CD ROM drives sold in Canada. We are talking
1985 ish. That's TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO. Some of those drives are still
fully functional.
Today's crop don't last 5 years (actually, that's YESTERDAY's crop.)
I'm replacing 2 year old "brand name" CD drives quite regularly.

I agree...I see it all the time.

The funny thing is people in the know are looking for the old CD drives
because of their reliability.

Unfortunately that means a company will not sell a new unit. sob..sob
 
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Rod Speed wrote:

('bullshit's and other similarly intellectual retorts snipped)
The environment is completely irrelevant. Discarded electronic
devices are a trivial part of the total waste and manufacturing
stream and the environmental downsides are back in china
with the manufacturing anyway.

you have missed the real point here. You are also very rude.
 
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Rod Speed

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote
Nope - the particular units in question are running on dual conversion
UPS power - a perfectly clean and seperately derived power source.
Also running high end SMPS power supplies.

Something is killing those drives at a much higher rate than others get.

No they dont.
 
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Rod Speed

When all stores sell the same items

That doesnt happen with the cheapest crap.
and no salesperson can convince the consumer that any given product is better than all of the rest
people will choose the cheapest.

Plenty have better sources of info than just the sales monkey.
 
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Rod Speed

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote
Tell that to the guys that build the elevator portion of the mill.

Pity about the rest of the mill.
All the pipe transitions etc. have been standardized for many
years by these guys. They designed something that works, that
is relatively simple to build, and they just keep right on using it.

There is more involved than just the pipe transitions etc.
 
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Too_Many_Tools said:
LOL...you mean an industry that has so far been able to dump long term
costs on the public.

When you see electronics being dumped in Africa to avoid the cost of
disposal, I think we are seeing the responsibility coming home to roost
soon.

And when the cost of disposal is finally taken into account, the true
cost of electronics will be adjusted for that disposal.

It can't come soon enough....

hear, hear.

see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1839997.stm

and

http://www.eldis.org/static/DOC12678.htm

and

http://lowendmac.com/archive/02/0503.html

and the photos here

http://www.greencitizen.com/electronics_recycler.php

and here:
www.chrisjordan.com
 
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