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Sammy

Does anyone know the color temp and the CRI of the famous "Ott Light"?
I did not see it published in their web site.

There have been several posts here concerning full spectrum lighting and I
was wondering if anyone researched this company.
They have done quite a job in the commercial market. I was at the Office Max
the other day and noticed one of their lamps.

The lamp and fixture I saw looked like it is possibly made by Philips and
then "Off Branded" to Ott Light maybe using their phosphor blend to get the
CRI in the upper 90's?

I don't know!

Any thoughts?
 
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AC/DCdude17

Does anyone know the color temp and the CRI of the famous "Ott Light"?
I did not see it published in their web site.

There have been several posts here concerning full spectrum lighting and I
was wondering if anyone researched this company.
They have done quite a job in the commercial market. I was at the Office Max
the other day and noticed one of their lamps.

The lamp and fixture I saw looked like it is possibly made by Philips and
then "Off Branded" to Ott Light maybe using their phosphor blend to get the
CRI in the upper 90's?

I don't know!

Any thoughts?

There are two or three types of Ott-Lite and these are supposedly the
specs for the two. It's awkward these specs are not published on their
official site:

Ott-Lite TrueColor 5300-5500 Kelvin CRI=95
Ott-Lite NaturalColor has the same color temp or 5000K(can't find which)
and CRI=84

So unless you need them in CFL, Ott-Lite isn't all that special. You can
just a 40W Philips ColorTone for about $5 a piece.
 
J

Jim Worthey

Sammy said:
Does anyone know the color temp and the CRI of the famous "Ott Light"?
I did not see it published in their web site.

Color Rendering Index is not a helpful or explanatory measure of a
light's spectrum. It is of course popular and often available.

The original publication of the CIE's color rendering document in 1965
represents an unfortunate turning point. Some of the great authority
figures of color and vision in the 20th century were active, including
Dorothy Nickerson, Dean Judd, David MacAdam, Gunter Wyszecki. These were
important people because they made solid progress in their lifetimes and
had positions of authority from which they could, in effect, force
people to take notice of new ideas.

Unfortunately, the Color Rendering Index document contains hidden
assumptions. I know that many will shrug and say "Hidden assumptions,
who cares?" The problem is that hidden assumptions cause the discussion
to grind to a halt. Within the CRI document there is an explicit (not
hidden) assumption that natural daylight has a smooth spectrum and that
it can be modeled by the 1964 formula of Judd, MacAdam, and Wyszecki.
That is very well, it makes sense, it has been tested by other authors
and is a clearly stated useful idea. But what about object reflectances?
We know that they are smooth also, and the CRI authors knew that but
they did not say it. They imply it because of the 8 Munsell chips that
play a key role, but are there really 8 degrees of freedom?

The smoothness of object colors was analyzed and put forth by Jozef
Cohen in 1964, the same year that Judd, MacAdam and Wyszecki put forth
their daylight model. Cohen used the same method, Principal Components
Analysis, and reached a similar conclusion, that 3 vectors could go far
to simulate object colors.

Are the 8 chips a good proxy for other objects? Are 8 chips really
needed, or would 3 suffice? If 3 chips would give a similar result, this
is important, because it means that color rendering effects are
systematic, not random or obscure. In fact, the major effects ARE
systematic. They do not have to do with some infinitely subtle
interaction between tiny wiggles in the object spectral reflectance and
corresponding tiny wiggles in the lamp spectrum. Historically the color
rendering issue arose because many commercial lights are deficient in
red and green.

What does that mean, "deficient in red and green?" See this page on my
web site:
http://www.jimworthey.com/basicfacts.html

Scroll down to to item 5 and look at the graph. Three types of
broad-band light are compared to Cool White fluorescent, with all lights
matched for color and intensity. Anybody could prepare a graph like
this, but it takes a certain diligence.

So, the real problem of color rendering involves a systematic loss of
color information, but the CRI document does not say this. Perhaps the
authors had some understanding about it, but they did not say so. Later,
Judd proposed a further "Color Preference Index" that would have said
something about the systematic loss of red. Believe it or not, this is
still an active idea. (Not going anywhere, but an idea that gets kicked
around.)

I say, why not look at the basic issues in the clearest language
possible? That is what I do in the articles on my web site, especially
the introductory article, "Color Rendering: Asking the Question." It
will be published soon.

What is the practical "bottom line?" For one thing, some lights enhance
reds and greens, rather than dulling them. In particular, 3-phosphor
lights do this. They get downgraded by CRI because they are not exactly
daylight; but they do address the key issue. This is the kind of simple
fact that is forever obscured by mention of the CRI.
There have been several posts here concerning full spectrum lighting and I
was wondering if anyone researched this company.
They have done quite a job in the commercial market. I was at the Office Max
the other day and noticed one of their lamps.

The public has a legitimate concern that much lighting is inappropriate
for seeing. Some products are offered to address the problems, but
there is little clear discussion of what is needed.
The lamp and fixture I saw looked like it is possibly made by Philips and
then "Off Branded" to Ott Light maybe using their phosphor blend to get the
CRI in the upper 90's?

I don't know!

Any thoughts?

Those are my thoughts. I should add that color is not the only issue
with fluorescent lights. They are also too low in luminance and
correspondingly too large in area. This turns highlights and
shading---good sources of information---into veiling reflections, which
take away information.

Jim Worthey
 
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Douglas G. Cummins

I was at a computer trade-show where Ott lights were being marketed.
They had supposed spectra comparing incandescent, typical fluorescent,
and their fluorescent printed on their packages. I didn't believe their
spectra since they showed the Ott light spd as being smooth with no
spikes, but I couldn't get any further details from them. I figure the
only way for us to know the Ott spd is to go out and buy one of their
lamps and measure it for ourselves.
 
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Sammy

Color Rendering Index is not a helpful or explanatory measure of a
light's spectrum. It is of course popular and often available.

True but for now it is the only guide to spectroradiometric and calculation
practice that we have in the industry and is in use by all lamp
manuufacturers. Until CIE can update CIE 13.3-1995 we are stuck with this
measurement of a light's spectrum to define particular lamp types. I
understand that they have several committees asigned for this issue.



Your web site is also a wealth of information. I too am a Marilyn Von
Savant reader and fan :)
I say, why not look at the basic issues in the clearest language
possible? That is what I do in the articles on my web site, especially
the introductory article, "Color Rendering: Asking the Question." It
will be published soon.

Very well written. This will take some time to absorb and review. Thank you
for sharing it with us.
I take it you will forward copies of your paper via Email to Janos Schanada
(TCI-33 colour rendering) and Mark Fairchild ( TCI-34 testing of colour
appearance models) of CIE division 1and also Paula J. Alessi who is the US
division 1 representative.

The public has a legitimate concern that much lighting is inappropriate
for seeing. Some products are offered to address the problems, but
there is little clear discussion of what is needed.

The lighting manufacturers need to step up to the plate. To many are
concerned with making foo foo fixtures work with little concentration on
improving the quality of the light. Obviously the optical manufactures would
prefer to leave well enough alone after all, they want to sell more glasses!

Those are my thoughts. I should add that color is not the only issue
with fluorescent lights. They are also too low in luminance and
correspondingly too large in area. This turns highlights and
shading---good sources of information---into veiling reflections, which
take away information.

True, and although less important, a non-uniform luminance distribution
surrounding the visual task is also a consideration. Once again, budget and
energy consumption are usually the final result of the lighting
specification.

Sammy
 
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AC/DCdude17

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Charles said:
I don't know about the cri, but on a trip through Fry's I happened to have my
color temp meter in my briefcase. Seeing the Ott Light on display I whipped
out the meter and stuck it in the light for a reading. The LCD display came up
flashing "GREENER THAN OWL SNOT!"
Charles Minx, Lighting Guy

Which Ott-Lite? They come in two flavors. TrueColor and NaturalColor.

I believe Philips TL950 would give you the same result. It's CRI 98, but it
difinitely has a green tinge.
 
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Daniel Stern Lighting

Finally! Somebody who actually went through the trouble of measuring
the infamous Ott-Lite! Thank you very much Phil.

I'll echo that -- thanks, Phil.
Your measured spectrum is definitely different from their "published"
spectrum on their packages that I saw at the computer trade show
earlier. They had apparently smoothed over all their spikes but left
the spikes in for competing fluorescent lights.

That's certainly inexplicable. Are you sure you were wearing the special
Ott-Lite decoder glasses at the time? ;^{)}


DS
 
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