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[jewellfish]

Hello all,

Anyone have a source for purchasing a copy of the Verifire software to
download/program the AFP-200, 400 series panels?

No, I am not a Notifier dealer (which means they won't even say "howdy"
to me.)-- I work mainly with Fire-lite but I have a couple of customers
that have Notifier and I have been doing the programming via the
keypad, which is fine but there is always the thought in the back of my
mind, "hey, this panel could crap out and it sure would be nice to have
a back-up copy of the program." But that is just me being paranoid.

So, don't wanna cross any ethical lines...but it would be nice if
someone would sell me a copy...


Cheers,

Bill

 

[Frank Olson]

Hello all,

Anyone have a source for purchasing a copy of the Verifire software to
download/program the AFP-200, 400 series panels?

No, I am not a Notifier dealer (which means they won't even say "howdy"
to me.)-- I work mainly with Fire-lite but I have a couple of customers
that have Notifier and I have been doing the programming via the
keypad, which is fine but there is always the thought in the back of my
mind, "hey, this panel could crap out and it sure would be nice to have
a back-up copy of the program." But that is just me being paranoid.

So, don't wanna cross any ethical lines...but it would be nice if
someone would sell me a copy...


Cheers,

Bill

If you manage to get ahold of one, I'm sure Notifier would be very
interested in the identity of your source. If I were a servicing
dealer, I would not want to jeopardize my lively-hood to make a "few
bucks". Bass, on the other hand, would sell you the combination to his
dad's safe and send you the keys to his house (as long as you paid the
shipping).

 

[jewellfish]

Frank,

I understand your point, I really do.

But, you can usually pick them up on Ebay, its just that there are non
listed right now, so its hardly like its a "top secret" kinda item.

One thing that does piss me off about the whole thing is this. Who
owns the fire alarm? Building owner, right? If he wants me to
fix/work on/polish the chrome on his fire alarm, he should have the
right to pick who he wants to do it. Its not Notifier's friggen pannel
any more. I screw it up, its my problem.

You think Ford should have the right to tell you that you HAVE to go to
the dealer??

The whole dealer-proprietary concept is a pile of horsefeathers!


Cheers

Bill

 

[Nick Markowitz]

I will second that
all proprietary products do is protect dealers who are afraid to have to
compete in the open market from losing accounts becuse of excessive pricing
and poor service.
hate to tell you how many radionics,dmp etc panels i have pulled out and
replaced with over the counter stuff becuase customers were so pissed at the
install or servicing customer.

 

[Just Some Guy]

Nick, I think you are missing the point. Unlike other "proprietary"
products, Notifier fire panels can always be programmed from the front
panel. While that might not be the most convenient way to program, it is
all that is needed. If you have the correct programming software you can
also upload and download the equipment with a pc.

Compare that to, say, an EST-3 panel. Can't do anything from the front
panel. If you have the software AND the dongle required to make it work,
you can only download. There is no way to upload the program out of EST's
fire panels and you are stuck either trying to get it from the installing
distributor (good luck) or starting from scratch and writing your own
program, not a simple task on a large or complicated system.

My point is that Notifier has taken the high ground, made their systems
uploadable and provided complete programming ability with no software or
equipment needed.

Oh yeah, F*** EST (GE)!

Mike B

 

[secure15]

Nick, I think you are missing the point. Unlike other "proprietary"
products, Notifier fire panels can always be programmed from the front
panel. While that might not be the most convenient way to program, it is
all that is needed. If you have the correct programming software you can
also upload and download the equipment with a pc.

Compare that to, say, an EST-3 panel. Can't do anything from the front
panel. If you have the software AND the dongle required to make it work,
you can only download. There is no way to upload the program out of EST's
fire panels and you are stuck either trying to get it from the installing
distributor (good luck) or starting from scratch and writing your own
program, not a simple task on a large or complicated system.

My point is that Notifier has taken the high ground, made their systems
uploadable and provided complete programming ability with no software or
equipment needed.

Oh yeah, F*** EST (GE)!

Mike B

Ditto to Silent Knights "Fahrencrap" Proprietary idea!

 

[jewellfish]

Just,

I would have to agree with you that compared to Edwards, Notifier has,
at least allowed programming from the front panel. And, I will second
the motion to frak EST.

I do beleive though that if I can call up a company and provide them
with some sort of "certification" i.e. state alarm liscence (got),
electrical liscence (got) NICET certification (got) that they should
say, "fine.. you can work on our sh**."

I don't know what standards they DO use to pick their dealers <<<cough,
cough, CASH!!!>>>but I have run into some dealer employees installing
fire alarms ******Life-Saftey-Sytems***** who I wouldn't trust to put a
frozen dinner into a microwave.

Just my rambelings....


Cheers


Bill

 

[J.]

Compare that to, say, an EST-3 panel. Can't do anything from the front
panel. If you have the software AND the dongle required to make it work,
you can only download. There is no way to upload the program out of EST's
fire panels and you are stuck either trying to get it from the installing
distributor (good luck) or starting from scratch and writing your own
program, not a simple task on a large or complicated system.

Those EST dongles aren't issued to EST dealers, they are issued to the
individual technicians that complete the 2 week on-site training
class. Just because you work for an EST dealer, doesn't mean you can
work on an EST3.

 

[J.]

You think Ford should have the right to tell you that you HAVE to go to
the dealer??

The whole dealer-proprietary concept is a pile of horsefeathers!

Ford can't do that because of the Magnuson Moss Warranty Ac of 1975.
Otherwise, they probably would. The MM Act may have some relevance to
proprietary FA panel service. I wonder if it's ever been challenged
in court.

 

[Doug]

It doesn't appear to apply to products sold for resale or to commercial
products.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm


Doug

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[Doug]

The building owner does have the right to choose who he wants to work on
the panel, Notifier will issue a programming code to the owner if he signs
a waiver so that anyone can access the programming from the "keypad" on the
panel, but Notifier has the right to decide to choose who they sell their
software to.

Notifier isn't saying that you can't work on the panel, what they are
saying is that they won't sell their product or software to you, the product
you would have to buy from a dealer .

I think there is a double standard here, many people think that the software
to panels such as DSC, Ademco etc. should only be available to Security
dealers, other than the fact that most of these companies only appear to pay
lip service to that premise, what's the difference between Notifier and the
Security Panel Manufacturers.

I'm not a Notifier dealer and I would always recommend that people avoid a
proprietary solution unless there really is no alternative.

Doug

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[Robert L Bass]

I would have to agree with you that compared to Edwards, Notifier has,

at least allowed programming from the front panel. And, I will second
the motion to frak EST.

The Edwards FireShield panels were designed to allow programming from the panel without software. However, the software is easy to
use and cheap (free if you ask nice). I know because I was involved in the design discussions while my company was wrting the
softwaree for them.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Robert L Bass]

Ford can't do that because of the Magnuson Moss

Warranty Act of 1975. Otherwise, they probably
would. The MM Act may have some relevance to
proprietary FA panel service. I wonder if it's ever
been challenged in court...

According to the FTC's explanation of the MM Warranty Act -- "Although tie-in sales provisions generally are not allowed, you can
include such a provision in your warranty if you can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the FTC that your product will not work
properly without a specified item or service..."

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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