New theory/story: Bios is dead ! Possible evidence: CPU Fan spins slowly.

[Skybuck]

Hello,

The BIOS chip could be dead.

Possible evidence:

When turning on the power the cpu fan spins slowly ?!

(Some have said the cpu fan is controlled by motherboard and spins up
to full speed (?))

Possible invalid evidence:

Graphics cards fans spin up to 100%, this is probably invalid evidence
since these fans could be controlled by the cards themselfes ?!

^^^ These do spin up last time I checked ^^^

Possible causes for dead bios:

1. Bios attack from "crack".

2. Bios corruption from many resets because of system freeze. (Maybe
power surges)

3. Bugged beta bios killed it.

4. Flashing could be bad, some transistors failed to be flashed
properly.

5. Bad quality of bios chip. (Possibly refurbished motherboard (?))

6. Bios chip damaged by touching it.

7. Wrong settings killed bios chip (?).

8. Too much heat killed bios chip (?).

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Eeyore]

Possible causes for dead bios:

1. Bios attack from "crack".

"Crack" is what you're on.

Graham

 

[Skybuck]

"Crack" is what you're on.

Graham

I wish I was then it was all a gigant illusion

And everything would be fine as the crack's effects were out

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Paul]

Hello,

The BIOS chip could be dead.

Possible evidence:

When turning on the power the cpu fan spins slowly ?!

(Some have said the cpu fan is controlled by motherboard and spins up
to full speed (?))

Possible invalid evidence:

Graphics cards fans spin up to 100%, this is probably invalid evidence
since these fans could be controlled by the cards themselfes ?!

^^^ These do spin up last time I checked ^^^

Possible causes for dead bios:

1. Bios attack from "crack".

2. Bios corruption from many resets because of system freeze. (Maybe
power surges)

3. Bugged beta bios killed it.

4. Flashing could be bad, some transistors failed to be flashed
properly.

5. Bad quality of bios chip. (Possibly refurbished motherboard (?))

6. Bios chip damaged by touching it.

7. Wrong settings killed bios chip (?).

8. Too much heat killed bios chip (?).

Bye,
Skybuck.

I'm waiting for you to stop crossposting, so someone can help you.
This doesn't belong in sci.electronics.design. Try posting *only*
to the alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus group, and then someone can
walk through a test procedure..

Paul

 

[Craig Sutton]

Hello,

The BIOS chip could be dead.

Possible evidence:

When turning on the power the cpu fan spins slowly ?!

For gods sake.. get over the fixation of fans, static and bios chips..


You havn't even done the most simple of checking procedures. Which would be
checking the power supply or trying with another one.

Or disconnect all the unecessary extra components such as all the extras
hd's.

Before faffing around with bios chips and pulling out motherboards and what
not It would of been the first thing I would of checked.

 

[David L. Jones]

Hello,

The BIOS chip could be dead.

Possible evidence:

When turning on the power the cpu fan spins slowly ?!

(Some have said the cpu fan is controlled by motherboard and spins up
to full speed (?))

Possible invalid evidence:

Graphics cards fans spin up to 100%, this is probably invalid evidence
since these fans could be controlled by the cards themselfes ?!

^^^ These do spin up last time I checked ^^^

Possible causes for dead bios:

1. Bios attack from "crack".

2. Bios corruption from many resets because of system freeze. (Maybe
power surges)

3. Bugged beta bios killed it.

4. Flashing could be bad, some transistors failed to be flashed
properly.

5. Bad quality of bios chip. (Possibly refurbished motherboard (?))

6. Bios chip damaged by touching it.

7. Wrong settings killed bios chip (?).

8. Too much heat killed bios chip (?).

Bye,
Skybuck.

This explains the problem completely:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEBKAC

Dave.

 

[Maus]

This explains the problem completely:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEBKAC

Dave.

Wrong! i think it's PICNIC!

Maus

 

[Alfred Kaufmann]

Another possible cause, Motherboard Logo program corrupted the bios.
Ak

 

[John Larkin]

Hello,

The BIOS chip could be dead.

The more you muck with this board, the more damage you are going to
do. You don't have 5% of the knowledge or the tools to work on
something this complex. Either get a new motherboard, or send this one
back for repair. Expect to pay for repair, as you have likely voided
the warranty by messing with it.

And please don't post this endless tale of woe to s.e.d. It's actually
not appropriate.

John

 

[Jim Yanik]

For gods sake.. get over the fixation of fans, static and bios chips..


You havn't even done the most simple of checking procedures. Which
would be checking the power supply or trying with another one.

Or disconnect all the unecessary extra components such as all the
extras hd's.

Before faffing around with bios chips and pulling out motherboards and
what not It would of been the first thing I would of checked.

My PC(900Mhz Athlon) was having trouble BECAUSE of a bad PC fan.
It was loading the PS and causing reboots.And the fan was still turning at
speed,not slow.

 

[default]

First check the CMOS battery. Most will run with a dead battery but
it is a pain having to enter the settings every time you power it up.

What are the Power On Self Test codes telling you? The computer
should beep the internal speaker one time if everything is working.
More than once means you have a problem - the motherboard manual
should tell you what the beeps are indicating is wrong. Research POST
codes for the mobo you have if that's the case. The POST is there so
you have some way to troubleshoot if the display or keyboard is having
problems.

If it beeps once and fails to boot, but the screen comes up, use the
start up disc, your master boot record must be damaged. The boot
record is corrupt, missing or not where the BIOS expects to find it.

There's a DOS command for restoring the master boot record, RMBR, but
it depends on your version of windows or what OS you are using.
Research the problem if that's the case. Drive overlays, and added
stuff like PCI hard drive controllers may require a non standard boot
for everything to function properly. Plain vanilla computers are
easier to fix.

1. Bios attack from "crack".

Unlikely. You're the computer expert - certainly you didn't kill it.

2. Bios corruption from many resets because of system freeze. (Maybe
power surges)

Lightening and Tesla coils can write to the bios settings on my
system, but they only change the date time, and maybe at worse, I'll
have to re detect the hard drives. That last has only happened once.

3. Bugged beta bios killed it.

Are you flashing the BIOS? That is asking for trouble with most
motherboards. You said something about an Asus board in one post,
they are supposed to be almost idiot proof with their flashing system.

4. Flashing could be bad, some transistors failed to be flashed
properly.

The ONLY time one flashes a BIOS is to upgrade to allow it to handle
some piece of added hardware or to eliminate a bug in the original
flashing - Flashing the BIOS is a last resort no matter how good you
are with computers. Last resort - means you have already spare BIOS
in one hand or a back up computer and really, really, need it.

Best plan is don't flash - unless of course you bought an ASUS with
the foolproof flashing and bad flash recovery.

5. Bad quality of bios chip. (Possibly refurbished motherboard (?))

Anything is possible

6. Bios chip damaged by touching it.

You were wearing your "summer shoes" again and shuffling across the
carpet?

7. Wrong settings killed bios chip (?).

Wrong settings are common - they will make it look like the BIOS or
MoBo is bad - but there's usually a choice somewhere in the BIOS setup
that allows one to chose default settings - to bring it back to
something that should work, then you just have to choose "detect hard
drives" or enter the number of heads and cylinders from the HDD spec
sheet manually.

8. Too much heat killed bios chip (?).

The BIOS itself runs cool, it doesn't do much except start the
computer and hold the settings, it doesn't use a lot of power - they
have to run on batteries for back up. If the BIOS dies from heat, it
would probably be due to another source of heat - a hard drive or
processor is more likely to die of heat, it generates.

 

[Skybuck]

For gods sake.. get over the fixation of fans, static and bios chips..

It's the most likely problem honey

You havn't even done the most simple of checking procedures. Which would be
checking the power supply or trying with another one.

To risky to **** around with my other computers I need them

The green light on the motherboard is on indicating the power supply
is ok ?!

Or disconnect all the unecessary extra components such as all the extras
hd's.

Well duh, ofcourse I already disconnected as much as possible, except
the 4 GB chips... I simply left those in

Now the motherboard is out though, I am done with testing and trying
to get it to work... first I might need replacement parts.

Before faffing around with bios chips and pulling out motherboards and what
not It would of been the first thing I would of checked.

Been there done that

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck]

The more you muck with this board, the more damage you are going to
do. You don't have 5% of the knowledge or the tools to work on
something this complex. Either get a new motherboard, or send this one
back for repair. Expect to pay for repair, as you have likely voided
the warranty by messing with it.

And please don't post this endless tale of woe to s.e.d. It's actually
not appropriate.

John

The motherboard should be well designed to take my tiny little
beating

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[James Beck]

It's the most likely problem honey


To risky to **** around with my other computers I need them

The green light on the motherboard is on indicating the power supply
is ok ?!

Nope, just standby voltage is present.
Not an indicator that the voltage is good/correct, so on.

Swapping the power supply out is always a good start.


Jim

 

[w_tom]

The motherboard should be well designed to take my tiny little
beating

Maybe. But more changes may only exponentially complicate the
problem. BIOS does not operate until it receives a signal from the
power supply controller. The power supply 'system' (which is more
than just a power supply) can be completely defective and still a
light glows; fan spins. There is no way around numbers. There is no
way around first confirming the power supply 'system' is functional.
That is two minutes with a 3.5 digit multimeter - a tool so ubiquitous
as to be sold even in Kmart (and Radio Shack, Lowes, Tru-value
Hardware, Sear, Wal-Mart, Home Depot....)

Procedure is posted in "When your computer dies without
warning....." starting 6 Feb 2007 in the newsgroup alt.windows-xp
at:
http://tinyurl.com/yvf9vh

Use numbers in that discussion AND post numbers here for further
information (and to learn what those numbers say).

Never swap parts or change wires until a suspect has been
identified. Two minutes with a meter will either accuse or exonerate
the power supply 'system'. Only then are you ready to move on to
other suspects. Doing it this way means you know what is good and
what is definitively bad. Currently, everything remains unknown - the
third state.

Get the meter. Use the procedure. Report back the numbers. Two
minutes to uncomplicated a problem.

 

[Ron Krebs]

Hello,

The BIOS chip could be dead.

Possible evidence:

When turning on the power the cpu fan spins slowly ?!

(Some have said the cpu fan is controlled by motherboard and spins up
to full speed (?))

Possible invalid evidence:

Graphics cards fans spin up to 100%, this is probably invalid evidence
since these fans could be controlled by the cards themselfes ?!

^^^ These do spin up last time I checked ^^^

Possible causes for dead bios:

1. Bios attack from "crack".

2. Bios corruption from many resets because of system freeze. (Maybe
power surges)

3. Bugged beta bios killed it.

4. Flashing could be bad, some transistors failed to be flashed
properly.

5. Bad quality of bios chip. (Possibly refurbished motherboard (?))

6. Bios chip damaged by touching it.

7. Wrong settings killed bios chip (?).

8. Too much heat killed bios chip (?).

Bye,
Skybuck.

The answer is simple. The motherboard is dirty. Carefully place the board
into a plastic tub half-filled with hydroflouric acid (5% solution) and
allow it to soak for 24 hours. If you're really in a hurry, make it 50%
solution. This will thoroughly clean the bios contacts and, well,
everything else on the board with remarkable results. It also works wonders
on you car windows.

Ron

 

[Marra]

For gods sake.. get over the fixation of fans, static and bios chips..

You havn't even done the most simple of checking procedures. Which would be
checking the power supply or trying with another one.

Or disconnect all the unecessary extra components such as all the extras
hd's.

Before faffing around with bios chips and pulling out motherboards and what
not It would of been the first thing I would of checked.

Just change the fecking motherboard and stop harassing us !
You cant fix it !

 

[Jamie]

It's the most likely problem honey




To risky to **** around with my other computers I need them

The green light on the motherboard is on indicating the power supply
is ok ?!





Well duh, ofcourse I already disconnected as much as possible, except
the 4 GB chips... I simply left those in

Now the motherboard is out though, I am done with testing and trying
to get it to work... first I might need replacement parts.




Been there done that

Bye,
Skybuck.

ha, you didn't pull the memory ?
you should at least do that to see if you get the memory error code beep !
if so, that would tell you that you have a bad chip.

 

[Skybuck]

ha, you didn't pull the memory ?

Nope, I have no reason to believe it's damaged.

you should at least do that to see if you get the memory error code beep !

Risky, might damage memory modules.

Can the motherboard operate without memory modules ?

I was under the impression computers need memory to operate ?!

if so, that would tell you that you have a bad chip.

That's a possibility I would rather not think about

Does it beep if there is no CPU in it as well ?

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck The Destroyer]

Are you witnessing sound corruption ?

Why would boot fail because a memory chip is damaged ?

Won't the motherboard simply p