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Todd Oberly

Hello,

I have a Mistubishi AUM-1381 monitor that I bought used back in 95-96,
and it's finally dying. The picture has always been muddy, and
required jacking-up the Brightness and Contrast knobs to full to get
an acceptable picture. Now, though, it takes an extended time to
warm-up, and the contrast is dropping to black at a steeper and
steeper rate.

This model accepts both standard VGA frequencies and 15kHz television
frequencies, and I've been using it with a computer than makes use of
that flexibility. While I am tracking-down a replacement (probably an
NEC 3D/3DS), would somebody answer a couple really simple repair
questions? I have basic electronics skills, and am able to work
inside a monitor without killing myself, but have never done any work
with picture tubes.

1) This monitor's ability to do horizontal sync below 31Khz is a
function of its electronics and not the tube...correct?

2) If I were to attempt to repair it, would it require an exact
Mitsubishi picture tube replacement? If so, then what makes a
Mitsubishi tube a Mitsubishi tube? I'd think that both externally and
internally, most 14" tubes are very similar, and given its age, tend
to doubt it's using anything but shadow mask technology. If not, can
you give me some idea on how hard it would be to find something
compatible? Few companies are making 14" tubes anymore, but perhaps a
tube could be transplanted from another monitor?

3) Assuming the job simply requires swapping tubes (and this also
cures the muddness), what might a repair shop charge for this? The
labor charge alone may make it prohibitively expensive, but still
thought I'd give it a try...

Thanks,

Todd
 
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Marco

Todd said:
Hello,

I have a Mistubishi AUM-1381 monitor that I bought used back in 95-96,
and it's finally dying. The picture has always been muddy, and
required jacking-up the Brightness and Contrast knobs to full to get
an acceptable picture. Now, though, it takes an extended time to
warm-up, and the contrast is dropping to black at a steeper and
steeper rate.

This model accepts both standard VGA frequencies and 15kHz television
frequencies, and I've been using it with a computer than makes use of
that flexibility. While I am tracking-down a replacement (probably an
NEC 3D/3DS), would somebody answer a couple really simple repair
questions? I have basic electronics skills, and am able to work
inside a monitor without killing myself, but have never done any work
with picture tubes.

1) This monitor's ability to do horizontal sync below 31Khz is a
function of its electronics and not the tube...correct?
Correct


2) If I were to attempt to repair it, would it require an exact
Mitsubishi picture tube replacement? If so, then what makes a
Mitsubishi tube a Mitsubishi tube? I'd think that both externally and
internally, most 14" tubes are very similar, and given its age, tend
to doubt it's using anything but shadow mask technology. If not, can
you give me some idea on how hard it would be to find something
compatible? Few companies are making 14" tubes anymore, but perhaps a
tube could be transplanted from another monitor?

Why replace the tube? Could be electronics as well...
3) Assuming the job simply requires swapping tubes (and this also
cures the muddness), what might a repair shop charge for this? The
labor charge alone may make it prohibitively expensive, but still
thought I'd give it a try...

Thanks,

Todd

Replacing a tube isn't that difficult. Re-adjusting everything is... I
don't know how complicated it is, but I guess for the prices you pay
here, you're better of buying another monitor...
 
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James Sweet

Todd Oberly said:
Hello,

I have a Mistubishi AUM-1381 monitor that I bought used back in 95-96,
and it's finally dying. The picture has always been muddy, and
required jacking-up the Brightness and Contrast knobs to full to get
an acceptable picture. Now, though, it takes an extended time to
warm-up, and the contrast is dropping to black at a steeper and
steeper rate.

This model accepts both standard VGA frequencies and 15kHz television
frequencies, and I've been using it with a computer than makes use of
that flexibility. While I am tracking-down a replacement (probably an
NEC 3D/3DS), would somebody answer a couple really simple repair
questions? I have basic electronics skills, and am able to work
inside a monitor without killing myself, but have never done any work
with picture tubes.

1) This monitor's ability to do horizontal sync below 31Khz is a
function of its electronics and not the tube...correct?

Yes, but don't just assume it's the tube, in this case it's likely not,
sounds more like a capacitor is failing in the heater or B+ circuit, you'll
have to do some poking around but Mits tubes rarely fail.
 
H

Henry Mydlarz

Todd,

Although I have serviced TVs and PC monitors my response is non-technical.

Prices of all PC monitors have fallen dramatically over the past year or
two - they have here in Australia at least. Unless you look at the job of
fixing your monitor as an entertaining challenge, I'd watch that you don't
pour lots of money into repairs - more that you'd spend on a new, better
performing monitor.

Henry
 
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Sam Goldwasser

Marco said:
Replacing a tube isn't that difficult. Re-adjusting everything is... I
don't know how complicated it is, but I guess for the prices you pay
here, you're better of buying another monitor...

I can sympathize. The cost of replacing the monitor probably isn't the
issue. This and some other monitors of that era do have some nice
features including syncing at TV rates and TV input.

It's possible that internal adjustments might get you enough improvement
to delay the inevitable.

See the monitor repair info at the site below.

--- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Home Page: http://www.repairfaq.org/
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Sam Goldwasser

James Sweet said:
Yes, but don't just assume it's the tube, in this case it's likely not,
sounds more like a capacitor is failing in the heater or B+ circuit, you'll
have to do some poking around but Mits tubes rarely fail.

If I recall correctly, this monitor may also have had a decayed brown
glue problem.

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Sam Goldwasser

Henry Mydlarz said:
Although I have serviced TVs and PC monitors my response is non-technical.

Prices of all PC monitors have fallen dramatically over the past year or
two - they have here in Australia at least. Unless you look at the job of
fixing your monitor as an entertaining challenge, I'd watch that you don't
pour lots of money into repairs - more that you'd spend on a new, better
performing monitor.

You didn't read his post carefully. Part of the reason he wants to
repair the monitor are certain features that aren't present on modern
monitors.

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Henry Mydlarz

Sorry, Sam, I knew I'd miss something. I think I sort of jumped in, having
at one stage spend almost $100 on a trying to repair mediocre monitor which
I thought was quite good, before telling myself 'whoa!' and bailing out of
it all.

Henry
 
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Todd Oberly

Thanks for all the advice. I assumed it was a tube problem because 1)
tubes don't last forever and the Mitsubishi is roughly 15 years old
and gotten heavy use, and 2) in retrospect, operating it at full
Contrast and Brightness for 7+ years seemed like it might lead to side
effects.

If that's poor logic, then I won't be parting with it right away, but
short of taking a correspondence course in TV/monitor repair, don't
expect to repair it myself unless I get really, really lucky. I will
check out the FAQ, though. There are actually a few companies
*buying* used AUM-1381's and AUM-1391's and reselling them for $400+,
so maybe they'll make me an offer I can't refuse? ;-)

Thanks again,

Todd
 
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James Sweet

Todd Oberly said:
Thanks for all the advice. I assumed it was a tube problem because 1)
tubes don't last forever and the Mitsubishi is roughly 15 years old
and gotten heavy use, and 2) in retrospect, operating it at full
Contrast and Brightness for 7+ years seemed like it might lead to side
effects.

If that's poor logic, then I won't be parting with it right away, but
short of taking a correspondence course in TV/monitor repair, don't
expect to repair it myself unless I get really, really lucky. I will
check out the FAQ, though. There are actually a few companies
*buying* used AUM-1381's and AUM-1391's and reselling them for $400+,
so maybe they'll make me an offer I can't refuse? ;-)

Thanks again,

Todd

It's perfectly decent logic, however the symptoms sound like the problem is
not the tube, or perhaps the reason the pic has been dim all this time is
the tube, but something else has happened. You should measure the voltage at
the CRT heater and trace it back, there may be an obviously bad and bulging
electrolytic capacitor.
 
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Sam Goldwasser

[email protected] (Todd Oberly) writes:

If that's poor logic, then I won't be parting with it right away, but
short of taking a correspondence course in TV/monitor repair, don't
expect to repair it myself unless I get really, really lucky. I will
check out the FAQ, though. There are actually a few companies
*buying* used AUM-1381's and AUM-1391's and reselling them for $400+,
so maybe they'll make me an offer I can't refuse? ;-)

HeHeHe, if you find someone offering good money for them, I've got an
AUM1381 and AUM1371 (basically the same) that I think still work.

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Wayne

[email protected] (Todd Oberly) writes:



HeHeHe, if you find someone offering good money for them, I've got an
AUM1381 and AUM1371 (basically the same) that I think still work.

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Its true, there are buyers; see the following...

We are currently buying Mitsubishi AUM-1381 or AUM-1391 IN ANY
CONDITION!

The above is an excerpt from...

http://www.kmrtech.com/buymon.html

Wayne
 
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Todd Oberly

Sam Goldwasser said:
[email protected] (Todd Oberly) writes:

HeHeHe, if you find someone offering good money for them, I've got an
AUM1381 and AUM1371 (basically the same) that I think still work.

If they work acceptably well, and my current deal on an NEC 3DS falls
through, *I* might just buy one of them. :)

Todd
 
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Sam Goldwasser

Its true, there are buyers; see the following...

We are currently buying Mitsubishi AUM-1381 or AUM-1391 IN ANY
CONDITION!

The above is an excerpt from...

http://www.kmrtech.com/buymon.html

Intersting. Gives me something to think about. How badly do I need the
space. :)

Thanks.

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James Sweet

Todd Oberly said:
If they work acceptably well, and my current deal on an NEC 3DS falls
through, *I* might just buy one of them. :)

Todd

I have a Sony CPD-1302 which has similar specs but it's a Trinitron, do
these have significant value too?
 
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Sam Goldwasser

James Sweet said:
I have a Sony CPD-1302 which has similar specs but it's a Trinitron, do
these have significant value too?

I emailed the place linked in another post. It's not like they have
huge value, at least not to a reseller. $25-50 was what they quoted
for these in somewhat working condition. For that, I think I'll keep them
for emergencies.

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James Sweet

Sam Goldwasser said:
I emailed the place linked in another post. It's not like they have
huge value, at least not to a reseller. $25-50 was what they quoted
for these in somewhat working condition. For that, I think I'll keep them
for emergencies.

I'd be more than happy to get $50 for mine in working condition, I'd rather
not ship the thing though.
 
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Sam Goldwasser

James Sweet said:
I'd be more than happy to get $50 for mine in working condition, I'd rather
not ship the thing though.

I think they will pay for shipping. However, packing the thing up could
be a pain without the original box.

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Todd Oberly

James Sweet said:
I have a Sony CPD-1302 which has similar specs but it's a Trinitron, do
these have significant value too?

As you probably noticed, kmrtech.com is apparently only offering "top
dollar" for Mitsubishi AUM-1381 and AUM-1391 monitors. But IMHO the
Sonys aren't anywhere near as common, so that might just be a
practical decision on their part. Never hurts to ask.

To the average user, a monitor that accepts both VGA and television
frequencies is just a 10-15 year-old monitor, but to some, these
monitors do have special value. I assume kmrtech.com re-sells their
Mitsubishis to professional organizations (tv stations, medical
facilities, etc.), and a handful of older computers will also make use
of the wider horizontal frequencies. I won my NEC 3DS, and it should
be here within a week, but I'd love to find a nice, cheap 17" monitor
with similar specs. Anybody got one? There are a dozen+ models known
to support this. Instead of searching the web and EBay, perhaps I
should have posted a WANTED ad here? ;-)

Todd
 
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