Math book recommendations: electronics-design-engineer

[jenyc]

Hello,
I am in the process of learning Calculus; i am using "Calculus
6e Early Transcendentals - Edwards and Penney"; this book covers basic
Calculus and a bit of vectors.

I haven't started out on the 'tronic text books in a through manner as
yet since i hope to get the math grounding right; I don't want to have
to keep running back to brush up on my math once i start out on
'tronics.

What would be YOUR "Must read!" MATH books for a budding EEE engineer.

 

[Paul Burke]

What would be YOUR "Must read!" MATH books for a budding EEE
engineer.

A lot depends on how easy you find maths. "Engineering Mathematics", KA
Stroud, is deservedly very popular in Britain:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0831131527/002-0357580-4185652?v=glance&n=283155

It has a progammatic approach, which takes you through in easy steps.
The more mathematically inclined might find this irritating, but for
most non- specialists, it seems a very good scheme. I learned from this
book 30 years ago; my daughter is using the latest edition today.

Paul Burke

 

[Nico Coesel]

Hello,
I am in the process of learning Calculus; i am using "Calculus
6e Early Transcendentals - Edwards and Penney"; this book covers basic
Calculus and a bit of vectors.

I haven't started out on the 'tronic text books in a through manner as
yet since i hope to get the math grounding right; I don't want to have
to keep running back to brush up on my math once i start out on
'tronics.

What would be YOUR "Must read!" MATH books for a budding EEE engineer.

Must read is a strong word, but I bought a copy of 'Modern Engineering
mathematics' by Glyn James, publ. Addison Wesley. It has a lot of EE
related examples.

 

[CF]

I believe I'd learn to read and write English (or whatever your native
language is) correctly first.

Hello,
I am in the process of learning Calculus; i am using "Calculus
6e Early Transcendentals - Edwards and Penney"; this book covers basic
Calculus and a bit of vectors.

I haven't started out on the 'tronic text books in a through manner as
yet since i hope to get the math grounding right; I don't want to have
to keep running back to brush up on my math once i start out on
'tronics.

What would be YOUR "Must read!" MATH books for a budding EEE engineer.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

I believe I'd learn to read and write English (or whatever your native
language is) correctly first.

Hello,
I am in the process of learning Calculus; i am using "Calculus
6e Early Transcendentals - Edwards and Penney"; this book covers basic
Calculus and a bit of vectors.

I haven't started out on the 'tronic text books in a through manner as
yet since i hope to get the math grounding right; I don't want to have
to keep running back to brush up on my math once i start out on
'tronics.

What would be YOUR "Must read!" MATH books for a budding EEE engineer.

What the hell is an "EEE Engineer"? 4-E? I recall the farm kids were
members of something like that. Nah, that was 4-H.

You're self-taught? For EE you want Laplace and linear algebra and
matrices and basic calculus and differential equations and maybe
difference equations. Complex analysis is probably of less practical
use. Also statistics and numerical analysis. Depends a bit on what
you're planning to do. Some of the Schaum's outlines are good and they
are quite inexpensive compared to university-level texts.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Joel Kolstad]

A lot depends on how easy you find maths. "Engineering Mathematics", KA
Stroud, is deservedly very popular in Britain:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0831131527/002-0357580-4185652?v=glance&n=283155

For a course in self-study, I'd second this recommendation. Stroud's book is
one of the few that has enough already step-by-step solved problems and
solutions in the back for the others that it's a decent substitute if you
don't have a professor or TA around to provide such items. It makes the book
quite thick, but it's paperback so it's still pretty inexpensive.

For a more traditional-style math textbook, I like Peter O'Neil's "Advanced
Engineering Mathematics."

It has a progammatic approach, which takes you through in easy steps.

For whatever odd reason, I've found that a lot of text books from the UK have
this "programmatic" approach which is often a lot more pragmatic for people
who just want to get some job done rather than readying themselves for a
career as a math professor.

---Joel Kolstad

 

[jenyc]

Sorry 'bout the typo's. Is there a way to re-edit the post?

The ; are legitimate. Hmm.. perhaps.. "I am in the process of learning
Calculus; i am using "Calculus 6e Early Transcendentals - Edwards and
Penney". This book covers basic
Calculus and a bit of vectors." and "thorough"

I am rather new to it, having just finished Lynn Truss's great book, so
perhaps i am practising it a little too hard <grin>.

 

[jenyc]

What the hell is an "EEE Engineer"? 4-E?
EEE is a acronym for Electrical and Electronic Engineer..Oops, point

You're self-taught?

Well, no! I attend college. Just started it recently. The prof's are
great so i hope this
doesn't reflect poorly on them. I wanted a few book suggestions from
people in the field,
which is why i posted.


Phew! Anyway, this was my first post to newsgroups so sorry for the
snafu's!

I was hoping for some good book suggestions for Laplace Transforms,
Fourier
series, Complex Analysis, Complex Integration and Bessel functions.

I just want to be able to read electronic-design text books and not
have to keep
running to check up on the mathematics involved. I don't know anything
about
design but i did read some posts on this newsgroup by John Popelish,
Terry Given and lots of others about the math involved in filter design
- poles
and zeroes and the s-plane and stuff..Since i don't have a clue what a
pole
or a zero is, i was hoping for some book that would explain things to
me
very very simply.

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Terry Given and lots of others about the math involved in filter design
- poles
and zeroes and the s-plane and stuff..Since i don't have a clue what a
pole
or a zero is, i was hoping for some book that would explain things to
me
very very simply.

At the level it sounds like you're at, if you're specifically interested in
filter design, I'd suggest "Analog and Digital Filter Design" by Steve Winder.
It contains enough of a math review that you'd likely understand what Terry &
friends are discussing. Unfortunately, it's a somewhat expensive book for
what it is, since if it's not available in your library I can't really
recommend purchasing a new copy.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

I am in the process of learning Calculus; i am using "Calculus
6e Early Transcendentals - Edwards and Penney"; this book covers basic
Calculus and a bit of vectors.

The book you have on hand is more than adequate for purposes of
establishing a solid mathematical foundation. Engineering and science
rely VERY heavily upon a good working knowledge of the transcendentals
and their analytic properties, so the book is exactly right for
engineering and science students. You can't think about complex analysis
( poles, zeroes ), the various transforms (LaPlace and Fourier), and the
special functions (Bessel), without developing a good understanding of
the material you're covering now. One last point is that your days of
"reading" are over. The mathematical and technical literature is such
that the idea of reading is an illusion, this material must be worked
through with pencil and paper in hand, verifying conclusions that might
be stated without exposition, solving excercises, answering questions,
and working through examples. There are things called "trade magazines"
that do not require this level of effort, but the majority of content is
so much blither blather.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

HALF-vast ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

The book you have on hand is more than adequate for purposes of
establishing a solid mathematical foundation. Engineering and science
rely VERY heavily upon a good working knowledge of the transcendentals
and their analytic properties, so the book is exactly right for
engineering and science students. You can't think about complex analysis
( poles, zeroes ), the various transforms (LaPlace and Fourier), and the
special functions (Bessel), without developing a good understanding of
the material you're covering now. One last point is that your days of
"reading" are over. The mathematical and technical literature is such
that the idea of reading is an illusion, this material must be worked
through with pencil and paper in hand, verifying conclusions that might
be stated without exposition, solving excercises, answering questions,
and working through examples. There are things called "trade magazines"
that do not require this level of effort, but the majority of content is ^
*vast*
so much blither blather.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Ban]

I was hoping for some good book suggestions for Laplace Transforms,
Fourier
series, Complex Analysis, Complex Integration and Bessel functions.

I just want to be able to read electronic-design text books and not
have to keep
running to check up on the mathematics involved. I don't know anything
about
design but i did read some posts on this newsgroup by John Popelish,
Terry Given and lots of others about the math involved in filter
design - poles
and zeroes and the s-plane and stuff..Since i don't have a clue what a
pole
or a zero is, i was hoping for some book that would explain things to
me
very very simply.

I would recommend a book which is specifically about DSP. It covers the most
promising aspect of EE and you cannot start early enough. The second chapter
is suitable for beginners, but you will always find it a reference even
after intense study. It is expensive, so borrow it first from the Lib.
Discrete-Time Signal Processing
Oppenheim, Schafer
Prentice-Hall 1999/1989

 

[Joel Kolstad]

I would recommend a book which is specifically about DSP. It covers the most
promising aspect of EE and you cannot start early enough.

What makes you think DSP is "the most promising aspect of EE?"

Discrete-Time Signal Processing
Oppenheim, Schafer
Prentice-Hall 1999/1989

This is a good book; my college DSP classes were from Luca Lucchese, who was
one of Oppenheim's students and used his book.

 

[Ban]

What makes you think DSP is "the most promising aspect of EE?"

Pretty obvious, especially if a person is interested in maths. The analog
guys are old farths like us in this NG and have become rare. And DSP is all
about developing algorithms, pure math and implementing it into some MPUs,
FPGAs, DSPs or whatever. Today it is as important to know Matlab as Spice,
and even that is pure digital processing. I want to see the product that is
still working analog. What's left is just the front-end interface to the A/D
and even the sensors have digital outputs now. Power supplies, motor
controls, even audio amps. what to say about automation, media, TV radio,
cellphones ... Digital Signal Processing is already everywhere and has taken
over the whole electronics industry, just like the transistor did with tubes
some 40yrs. ago.

This is a good book; my college DSP classes were from Luca Lucchese,
who was one of Oppenheim's students and used his book.

Then you know how challenging it is. I refer to digital in its entity not
only the specific tasks done by DSP-chips but all kind of logic.

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Hi Ban,

Pretty obvious, especially if a person is interested in maths. The analog
guys are old farths like us in this NG and have become rare.

Sure, but I'd say that a key component of DSP is the analog front end -- high
speed op-amps and ADCs -- and the back-end -- more op-amps and DACs. As such,
good analog guys aren't going to be unemployed any time soon.

I want to see the product that is still working analog.

There are still an awful lots of cheap AM and FM radios and TVs built that are
pure analog. Obsolete technology, sure, but it's not going to completely die
for awhile yet. (Yes, I am aware that plenty of better AM/FM radios and TVs
perform significant processing digitally too.)

Then you know how challenging it is.

There's a lot of meat in there -- it certainly takes a significant time
investment to absorb it all -- but if you started at page 1 and went slowly
but steadily the progression seemed pretty natural and straightforward. I did
have a very good instructor though, so that impression might be a little off.
(It was one of those classes were you learned 90+% of what you needed to know
you learned in class, and the book served mainly as a reference and a source
of homework problems. Much better than the classes with horrible lecturers
where it's the book that teaches 90+%!)

 

[Fred Bloggs]

I would recommend a book which is specifically about DSP. It covers the most
promising aspect of EE and you cannot start early enough. The second chapter
is suitable for beginners, but you will always find it a reference even
after intense study. It is expensive, so borrow it first from the Lib.
Discrete-Time Signal Processing
Oppenheim, Schafer
Prentice-Hall 1999/1989

The book by Steve Smith is respectable and a free download:
http://www.dspguide.com/
But why the hell you would recommend this to a freshman undergraduate
who happens to be enrolled in EE, I will never know.