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J

Jason

I've got a friend that interested in getting an alarm on their garage.
They are looking for something basic. Door contacts, motions, siren,
keypad, panel... no monitoring. I can buy the equipment from ADI
through my work but I'm not sure which one to get. I'm looking for
something that would be easy to use and program through the keypad.
 
C

Crash Gordon

Vista 10P has 6 zones and easy to program. Make sure you buy a keypad that
you can program with and not the basic ones that come in the kits.


| I've got a friend that interested in getting an alarm on their garage.
| They are looking for something basic. Door contacts, motions, siren,
| keypad, panel... no monitoring. I can buy the equipment from ADI
| through my work but I'm not sure which one to get. I'm looking for
| something that would be easy to use and program through the keypad.
|
|
 
M

Matt Ion

Jason said:
I've got a friend that interested in getting an alarm on their garage.
They are looking for something basic. Door contacts, motions, siren,
keypad, panel... no monitoring. I can buy the equipment from ADI
through my work but I'm not sure which one to get. I'm looking for
something that would be easy to use and program through the keypad.

He should only need the most basic panel, with the most basic keypad. A
siren and enough magnetic contacts to put one on each door will get him
going. If there are no easily accessible windows (something someone
could break and crawl in through) a motion sensor is probably NOT
needed, as the only points of entry would be the door(s).

Can't give you any model numbers, but from the sound of it, nothing
fancy is needed.


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B

Bob La Londe

Crash Gordon said:
Vista 10P has 6 zones and easy to program. Make sure you buy a keypad that
you can program with and not the basic ones that come in the kits.

Napco P801 is easier to program in my opionon and you can program it with
the basic keypad just fine. For those who want to get fancy there is an
alpha keypad available, but the LED is so intuitively setup that I thinks
its easier to use than the alpha. I have programmed a bunch of them so it
doesn't really count, but I can usually program one in a minute or two. I
think my very first one took me about ten or fifteen minutes to program and
that is only because I took the time to read it all and fill out the
programming work sheet first.

Can't get Napco from ADI though. Not sure what happened, but I got a letter
or an e-mail from Napco telling me that the were refusing to allow ADI to
sell their products anymore. SGI, Eastern, & Alarmax are the main guys I
use for Napco products these days.
 
B

Bob La Londe

Bob La Londe said:
Napco P801 is easier to program in my opionon and you can program it with
the basic keypad just fine. For those who want to get fancy there is an
alpha keypad available, but the LED is so intuitively setup that I thinks
its easier to use than the alpha. I have programmed a bunch of them so it
doesn't really count, but I can usually program one in a minute or two. I
think my very first one took me about ten or fifteen minutes to program
and that is only because I took the time to read it all and fill out the
programming work sheet first.

Can't get Napco from ADI though. Not sure what happened, but I got a
letter or an e-mail from Napco telling me that the were refusing to allow
ADI to sell their products anymore. SGI, Eastern, & Alarmax are the main
guys I use for Napco products these days.


The P801 also supports integratable supervised wireless available and I have
very good luck with Napco wireless. If you have no need of wireless then
don't buy the receiver.
 
C

Crash Gordon

I've never been partial to Napco programming.



|
| | > Vista 10P has 6 zones and easy to program. Make sure you buy a keypad
that
| > you can program with and not the basic ones that come in the kits.
| >
|
| Napco P801 is easier to program in my opionon and you can program it with
| the basic keypad just fine. For those who want to get fancy there is an
| alpha keypad available, but the LED is so intuitively setup that I thinks
| its easier to use than the alpha. I have programmed a bunch of them so it
| doesn't really count, but I can usually program one in a minute or two. I
| think my very first one took me about ten or fifteen minutes to program
and
| that is only because I took the time to read it all and fill out the
| programming work sheet first.
|
| Can't get Napco from ADI though. Not sure what happened, but I got a
letter
| or an e-mail from Napco telling me that the were refusing to allow ADI to
| sell their products anymore. SGI, Eastern, & Alarmax are the main guys I
| use for Napco products these days.
|
| --
| Bob La Londe
| http://www.YumaBassMan.com
|
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

ADI sells DSC?


| Get a DSC Kit 120 from ADI. easy to install and has everything you need
but
| the contacts & maybe an exterior siren.
| this has added bonus of being "wireless ready"
|
|
|
|
| | > I've got a friend that interested in getting an alarm on their garage.
| > They are looking for something basic. Door contacts, motions, siren,
| > keypad, panel... no monitoring. I can buy the equipment from ADI
| > through my work but I'm not sure which one to get. I'm looking for
| > something that would be easy to use and program through the keypad.
| >
|
|
|
 
J

Jason

What about the FB-408ATPK? I guess it's an Omni? That one costs about
$75 and looks to do everything I need it to do.
 
B

Bob La Londe

Crash Gordon said:
I've never been partial to Napco programming.

The old MA panels were a pain, and in the newer Gemini series the 1632,
3200, and 9600 are a not really easy to keypad program all the features, but
the P800 and P801 are the easiest panels I have ever programmed, and yes I
have programmed a frew Ademco panels.
 
C

Crash Gordon

I have a handful of Gemini 816s (?)...I cringe whenever I might have to make
a programming change. I cant wait for them to get hit by lightning :)


|
| | > I've never been partial to Napco programming.
| >
|
| The old MA panels were a pain, and in the newer Gemini series the 1632,
| 3200, and 9600 are a not really easy to keypad program all the features,
but
| the P800 and P801 are the easiest panels I have ever programmed, and yes I
| have programmed a frew Ademco panels.
|
| --
| Bob La Londe
| http://www.YumaBassMan.com
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

I have a couple of those out there...they're easy to program even with the
dinky keypad that the package comes with. It's only a tad goofy the way it
sends CID...but if you're gonna use it for a local system it's easy. By no
means is it a high end panel, but I've not had any problems with the few I
have running.


| What about the FB-408ATPK? I guess it's an Omni? That one costs about
| $75 and looks to do everything I need it to do.
|
 
B

Bob La Londe

Crash Gordon said:
I have a handful of Gemini 816s (?)...I cringe whenever I might have to
make
a programming change. I cant wait for them to get hit by lightning :)

I have not used any 816s as I always felt they were a brain damaged version
of the 1632 without enough savings to justify the reduced zones and
features.

However, they are a pretty easy to program with a laptop as are the P1632s.
The 3200s and 9600s are onyl a little more difficult because they have some
many programming options.
 
C

Crash Gordon

I don't have enough of them to justify the expense.


| Get a cheap laptop, install QuickLoader on it... When it's time to make a
| programming change, just plug your laptop right into the board and program
| away........
|
| | >I have a handful of Gemini 816s (?)...I cringe whenever I might have to
| >make
| > a programming change. I cant wait for them to get hit by lightning :)
| >
| >
| > | > |
| > | | > | > I've never been partial to Napco programming.
| > | >
| > |
| > | The old MA panels were a pain, and in the newer Gemini series the
1632,
| > | 3200, and 9600 are a not really easy to keypad program all the
features,
| > but
| > | the P800 and P801 are the easiest panels I have ever programmed, and
yes
| > I
| > | have programmed a frew Ademco panels.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Bob La Londe
| > | http://www.YumaBassMan.com
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

They were all take overs, so the struggle to program them didn't endear me
to want to continue using the product. Maybe one day Napco will send me a
evaluation panel for me to play with :)


|
| | >I have a handful of Gemini 816s (?)...I cringe whenever I might have to
| >make
| > a programming change. I cant wait for them to get hit by lightning :)
|
| I have not used any 816s as I always felt they were a brain damaged
version
| of the 1632 without enough savings to justify the reduced zones and
| features.
|
| However, they are a pretty easy to program with a laptop as are the
P1632s.
| The 3200s and 9600s are onyl a little more difficult because they have
some
| many programming options.
|
|
| --
| --
| Bob La Londe
| http://www.YumaBassMan.com
|
|
|
| > | > |
| > | | > | > I've never been partial to Napco programming.
| > | >
| > |
| > | The old MA panels were a pain, and in the newer Gemini series the
1632,
| > | 3200, and 9600 are a not really easy to keypad program all the
features,
| > but
| > | the P800 and P801 are the easiest panels I have ever programmed, and
yes
| > I
| > | have programmed a frew Ademco panels.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Bob La Londe
| > | http://www.YumaBassMan.com
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
B

Bob La Londe

Crash Gordon said:
They were all take overs, so the struggle to program them didn't endear me
to want to continue using the product. Maybe one day Napco will send me a
evaluation panel for me to play with :)

I have to say the P1632 is my main stream panel. I never use the 3200
anymore. I jump up to the 9600 if I need more zones or more programability.
They both have a nice menu programming feature for basic setup, and then 'by
address' programming for the detailed stuff, or just break out the laptop.

The P800/1 is my low end panel and it is very very easy to setup.

Those 4 zone Express panels never impressed me. Kinda in the same class as
the DSC 550. Sorry, that just trying to shave way too much off the cost of
an install.
 
J

Jim

Crash said:
They were all take overs, so the struggle to program them didn't endear me
to want to continue using the product. Maybe one day Napco will send me a
evaluation panel for me to play with :)
What kind of panel would you be interested in evaluating? I'm sure
they'd be willing to send you something if they were asked. ( I could
ask if you don't want to)

As you can surmise, the programing is just "different" not actually
difficult. If you you can grasp the concept of counting in binary ( if
you don't know how, it's very simple, once it's explained) then Napco
programing becomes very simple to understand. With a laptop it's no
problem whatsoever. The best thing about Napco is that it gives you a
versatility to do just about anything you'd ever be asked to do by a
client. Obviously, you don't always need to do "everything" but it's a
great feeling of confidence to know that pretty much anything a client
may come up with, you can do it. I've been using it since the 80's.
Pretty rock solid, in my opinion. In recent years they've tried to
simplify the programing, especially in the low end panels ( which I
don't use). It seems to be a tendency in the industry to reduce
programing complexity down to the level of a three year old. In my
opinion, I think that it's an effort to keep up with the downward slide
of competence in what passes for installers nowdays.

When ever I go to do a service call on an older system for someone,
who's not already my client, the guy before me has usually told them
the system should be replaced. Only because they don't want to "work"
on programing. That's another thing I've noticed too. Since I can
program Napco, there's not a panel out there that I've come across,
that I can't comprehend the programing in a relatively short time. I
think that if someone has only ever experienced programing simply
programed panels, it seems that their comprehension of other panels
programing is never developed.

Just an observation.
 
M

Mark Leuck

Bob La Londe said:
I have to say the P1632 is my main stream panel. I never use the 3200
anymore. I jump up to the 9600 if I need more zones or more programability.
They both have a nice menu programming feature for basic setup, and then 'by
address' programming for the detailed stuff, or just break out the laptop.

Try the new P1664 yet Bob?
 
C

Crash Gordon

I stopped counting in binary when I removed the last Napco 800 (I still have
the stupid programmer). My point is this is 2006 there's absolutely no
reason we should be adding/programming with binary/hex or whatever...its
dumb.

IMO a panel should be easy to program fully from the keypad in english (or
some semblence of english or alarmlish).

I've never had any real probs with Napco on the ones I have though. Dunno
what panel I'd like to eval. since I don't keep up with their stuff. My
basic panels are the Vista 10P, 20P for anything bigger I go with another
product.


|
| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > They were all take overs, so the struggle to program them didn't endear
me
| > to want to continue using the product. Maybe one day Napco will send me
a
| > evaluation panel for me to play with :)
| >
| What kind of panel would you be interested in evaluating? I'm sure
| they'd be willing to send you something if they were asked. ( I could
| ask if you don't want to)
|
| As you can surmise, the programing is just "different" not actually
| difficult. If you you can grasp the concept of counting in binary ( if
| you don't know how, it's very simple, once it's explained) then Napco
| programing becomes very simple to understand. With a laptop it's no
| problem whatsoever. The best thing about Napco is that it gives you a
| versatility to do just about anything you'd ever be asked to do by a
| client. Obviously, you don't always need to do "everything" but it's a
| great feeling of confidence to know that pretty much anything a client
| may come up with, you can do it. I've been using it since the 80's.
| Pretty rock solid, in my opinion. In recent years they've tried to
| simplify the programing, especially in the low end panels ( which I
| don't use). It seems to be a tendency in the industry to reduce
| programing complexity down to the level of a three year old. In my
| opinion, I think that it's an effort to keep up with the downward slide
| of competence in what passes for installers nowdays.
|
| When ever I go to do a service call on an older system for someone,
| who's not already my client, the guy before me has usually told them
| the system should be replaced. Only because they don't want to "work"
| on programing. That's another thing I've noticed too. Since I can
| program Napco, there's not a panel out there that I've come across,
| that I can't comprehend the programing in a relatively short time. I
| think that if someone has only ever experienced programing simply
| programed panels, it seems that their comprehension of other panels
| programing is never developed.
|
| Just an observation.
|
 
J

Jim

Crash said:
I stopped counting in binary when I removed the last Napco 800 (I still have
the stupid programmer). My point is this is 2006 there's absolutely no
reason we should be adding/programming with binary/hex or whatever...its
dumb.

My point was that if you knew how to count binary then "understanding"
Napco programing was easy. You don't really have to count in binary to
progam them.
I guess because it's so second nature to me to program them now, it's
as easy as I'll ever need it to be. Someone who's comparing it to say
...... cell phone style messaging, is certainly going to have a problem
with it.
IMO a panel should be easy to program fully from the keypad in english (or
some semblence of english or alarmlish).

It doesn't matter to me.
I've never had any real probs with Napco on the ones I have though. Dunno
what panel I'd like to eval. since I don't keep up with their stuff. My
basic panels are the Vista 10P, 20P for anything bigger I go with another
product.

I've found them to be VERY reliable. I just replaced a working 800 the
other day. Only because the owner was doing an addition to their home.
I think it was installed in 82. Same keypads, the old mechanical 39
magnetic contacts, 116 door push buttons. Even a 714 Ademco siren
driver blaster module and a DS PIR the size of a half a loaf of bread.
Worked all those years and still tickin. Actually I've got dozens and
dozens of old panels down in the "tomb" that I've replaced through the
years and they're were all still working when they were pulled. I
can't remember when I've had a panel bad out of the box or had to have
repaired. Years ago.

If you ARE interested, probably the Gemini 1632 would be a good panel
to try. Since I don't use Ademco, I don't know what it would be
equivalent to. I don't remember where you're located but if you want,
let me know and I could find out who the rep is in your area so you
could get in touch.
 
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