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DonMack

Lead selenide has a bandgap of around 0.29 which is more than 1/3 that of
Si... is it possible to made solar cells out of this instead for a huge
increase in theoretical efficiency(several factors)?
 
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Martin Brown

Lead selenide has a bandgap of around 0.29 which is more than 1/3 that
of Si... is it possible to made solar cells out of this instead for a
huge increase in theoretical efficiency(several factors)?
Looks like the answer might be yes as nano particles, but there are some
practical difficulties too. See for example:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100617143930.htm

I am pinning my hopes long term on a variant of organic LED technology
producing something that is screen printable cheap and not necessarily
massively efficient but incredibly low cost to manufacture. Tricky bit
is making organic semiconductors photostable in strong sunlight.
 
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Nemo

On 18/10/11 18:23, Martin Brown wrote:

[by the way I agree about low cost possibly low efficiency cells being
the key]

Tricky bit
is making organic semiconductors photostable in strong sunlight.

And I think one of the problems with OLEDs, which I assume are a related
thin film technology, was stopping oxygen getting through the
thin-enough-to-be-transparent membranes protecting them. You can also
imagine that organic solar cells would be susceptible to being munched
by some obscure microorganism once they're common enough to provide a
reliable food source.
 
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ehsjr

Tim said:
On 18/10/11 18:23, Martin Brown wrote:

[by the way I agree about low cost possibly low efficiency cells being
the key]

Tricky bit
is making organic semiconductors photostable in strong sunlight.

And I think one of the problems with OLEDs, which I assume are a related
thin film technology, was stopping oxygen getting through the
thin-enough-to-be-transparent membranes protecting them. You can also
imagine that organic solar cells would be susceptible to being munched
by some obscure microorganism once they're common enough to provide a
reliable food source.


Some _formerly_ obscure microorganism.

I once saw an analysis where someone took the then-current pie-in-the-sky
projections of computing power out to the far future (probably the year
2000), and determined that once computers were that small, some bug would
evolve to eat them up.

Skybuck Flying?
 
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josephkk

Interesting theory.
However, white board markers become difficult to erase even in the
absence of sunlight. Or even in the absence of fluorescent lighting.
All it takes is a few days in total darkness.
Lacquer thinner will instantly remove even the most stubborn white
board marks, as well as the "permanent" markers like Sharpies.
Art
OK. But what does it do to the white board surface? Well, there are so
many, that may not be the right question.

?-/
 
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josephkk

On 18/10/11 18:23, Martin Brown wrote:

[by the way I agree about low cost possibly low efficiency cells being
the key]

Tricky bit
is making organic semiconductors photostable in strong sunlight.

And I think one of the problems with OLEDs, which I assume are a related
thin film technology, was stopping oxygen getting through the
thin-enough-to-be-transparent membranes protecting them. You can also
imagine that organic solar cells would be susceptible to being munched
by some obscure microorganism once they're common enough to provide a
reliable food source.

Some _formerly_ obscure microorganism.

Perhaps after some GM? (potential weapon)
 
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josephkk

On 18/10/11 18:23, Martin Brown wrote:

[by the way I agree about low cost possibly low efficiency cells being
the key]

Tricky bit
is making organic semiconductors photostable in strong sunlight.

And I think one of the problems with OLEDs, which I assume are a related
thin film technology, was stopping oxygen getting through the
thin-enough-to-be-transparent membranes protecting them. You can also
imagine that organic solar cells would be susceptible to being munched
by some obscure microorganism once they're common enough to provide a
reliable food source.

OLEDs have a layer of _calcium_metal_ in them, though, which is pretty
ridiculous. (A couple of my pals did a lot of the early work on OLEDs,
and I still tease them about that calcium metal layer....)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

My plate is a little full to go looking at that right now. Drat.

?-)
 
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josephkk

The problem is that the forward voltage of a PbSe diode is only a couple
of tenths of a volt. You're absorbing 2.5 eV photons and only getting
0.2 volts on the terminals--that gets you 8% efficiency even if there
were no other losses.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Reminds me of efforts to do stacked PV layers.

?-)
 
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Martin Brown

We didn't understand why our whiteboard in the conference room was
behaving so strangely until we figured that daylight has enough UV in
it to polymerize certain of the whiteboard marker pigments, which
makes them very difficult to erase after a couple of days.

It is unlikely to polymerise the pigments it might crosslink the binder
to the surface of the whiteboard though for unfortunate choices. Any
alcohol (even whisky or brandy) will get stubborn marks of whiteboards
without harming the surface. More aggressive solvents may pit it and
make your problems worse...

Most UV in sunlight doesn't make it through ordinary window glass
although enough to fade inkjet prints does.
Sunlight is nasty stuff. Even silicon solar cells degrade.

Indeed. Fade tests on exterior grade paints are very important. Most
white paints depend on incident light to keep them from turning yellow.
 
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