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Intel claims wireless electric power transmission

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Jan Panteltje

On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:08:27 GMT) it happened NG Neer <NG
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080821/ts_afp/usitinternetenergychipcompanyintel

Nothing here that Tesla didn't already try, but it was unfeasible due
to inneficiency then, not sure how they claim to solve that hurdle..
and not cause cancer to boot...

Has been discussed here before.
It will violate any and al radiation sp[ec.
may fry your cat too perhaps.
It is not 'green' as it loses a lot of power, it is too big for small
equipment.

Wonder hat happens to your short wave radio if yo uhold it close to it.
So, crap.
 
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Jan Panteltje

Has been discussed here before.
It will violate any and al radiation sp[ec.

Depends on the wavelength they use.

Several MHz was mentioned int the original experiment at MIT.
It is even easier to make a fluoro tube light by holding one end and
pointing the other upwards towards a supergrid pylon. Several artistic
photos of tubes stuck in the ground under pylons have been done. eg

http://www.richardbox.com/

Amazing!

I can light up a neon if I hold it close to my transmit antenna.
 
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TheM

Martin Brown said:
Depends on the wavelength they use. There was a very amusing instance of a radio ham in allotments under a major UK transmitter
mast who heated his greenhouse for free with a suitable resonant tank circuit and resistive load.

Compared to the transmitters total output one greenhouse wasn't too bad, but the authorities noticed after several others copied
his design.

Interesting, do you have more details or a link?

M
 
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Joerg

Jan said:
Has been discussed here before.
It will violate any and al radiation sp[ec.
Depends on the wavelength they use.

Several MHz was mentioned int the original experiment at MIT.

At 13.56MHz or some other ISM band in the shortwave range you could get
away with it.


Yes, very cool.

I can light up a neon if I hold it close to my transmit antenna.


It can really puzzle people if you have a morse code test loop going
(which from a legal POV you should anyhow). Then it's like "Look, E.T.
is trying to talk to us now".
 
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Eeyore

Jan said:
I can light up a neon if I hold it close to my transmit antenna.

Reminds me a bit of a passage in 'Radar Days' by Taffy Owen.

Graham
 
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Jan Panteltje

It can really puzzle people if you have a morse code test loop going
(which from a legal POV you should anyhow).

I dunno, CB (27MHz) is free here, the CEPT rules (for much of Europe) are
max power: 1W AM, 4W SSB, 4W FM.
http://www.cbtricks.com/members/kd6tas/cbfaq2.htm

Just keeping the mike button pushed on FM without modulation
seems to happen a lot....

Then it's like "Look, E.T.
is trying to talk to us now".

There was an interesting calculation some time ago in sci.astro, or sci.physics (do
not remember, maybe both), about the fact that we will not be able to receive
transmissions from other planets as the signal would simply be too weak....

But sure, if they land in your garden, then anything goes.
Did you see the movie: Mars attacks?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116996/
 
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Joerg

Jan said:
I dunno, CB (27MHz) is free here, the CEPT rules (for much of Europe) are
max power: 1W AM, 4W SSB, 4W FM.
http://www.cbtricks.com/members/kd6tas/cbfaq2.htm

Just keeping the mike button pushed on FM without modulation
seems to happen a lot....

Yeah, on CB it seems that anything goes. I never did CB, went for the
ham radio license right away.
There was an interesting calculation some time ago in sci.astro, or sci.physics (do
not remember, maybe both), about the fact that we will not be able to receive
transmissions from other planets as the signal would simply be too weak....

But sure, if they land in your garden, then anything goes.
Did you see the movie: Mars attacks?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116996/

Nah, I really don't like Sci-Fi stuff. Never did.
 
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Paul G.

I wasn't sure.



Sounds very plausible.

Graham

From the MIT News story: "they were able to identify the strongly
coupled regime in this system, even when the distance between them was
several times larger than the sizes of the resonant objects."
That isn't unreasonable, however the idea that you can couple
energy efficiently with 10 or more times the distance (as compared to
the size of radiator) without some directional coupling is a bit far
fetched. I'm sure that you could arrange two devices so that one could
track the other, and beam the energy towards the target. That would
work at a useful distance. If someone got in the way of the beam,
there would be some pretty serious health concerns, especially with
the 60 watt power level they used.
From their blurb: "they were able to light a 60W light bulb from a
power source seven feet (more than two meters) away; there was no
physical connection between the source and the appliance". That's not
really amazing, taking the information from the first quote, since it
implies the resonant objects were about a meter in size.
A practical implementation based on the above suggests a coil in
your computer "hutch" or desk that could power a laptop sitting on the
same desk. Thinking back to all the concerns with EM fields from
monitors we had 10-20 years ago (I was a consultant for EM radiation
cases, and built measuring devices then), I sure wouldn't want one on
MY desk.
My impression is that everyone is looking for a scheme where the
transmitter is more or less omnidirectional, and the the receiver can
efficiently "suck up" most of the radiated power, and reduce the
electromagnetic fields elsewhere. If such things existed, we'd want
the range to be 10-100 or more times the size of the rcv/trx devices.
Do you know of such a scheme? I think the whole thing is fantasy!
Magnetic or electric fields do interact (differently) with the
body. You cannot discount the effect of magnetic fields, especially if
they are time variant - even at 60 Hz.

Paul G.
 
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