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How much of a deterrent is a non-ADT/Brinks home security system?

It makes a lot of sense to me to install our own system and have it
monitored by a company like Next Alarm.

What I'm concerned about is the signs outside the house will not be
the familiar ADT/Brinks signs and therefore not have the same
effectiveness at deterring potential burglars. What are your thoughts
on that?
 
K

KingFish

It makes a lot of sense to me to install our own system and have it
monitored by a company like Next Alarm.

What I'm concerned about is the signs outside the house will not be
the familiar ADT/Brinks signs and therefore not have the same
effectiveness at deterring potential burglars. What are your thoughts
on that?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason I ask is because from my limited reading, it's the signs
that do most of the work at preventing break-ins.

Sorry for my ignorance. If there's a thread that discusses this, I
would appreciate a link.

Thanks.
 
A

alarman

You are a victim of the advertising hype. ADT and Brinks systems are among
the least adequate, most poorly installed systems available, in my opinion.
 
D

Doug

It makes a lot of sense to me to install our own system and have it
monitored by a company like Next Alarm.

What I'm concerned about is the signs outside the house will not be
the familiar ADT/Brinks signs and therefore not have the same
effectiveness at deterring potential burglars. What are your thoughts
on that?

In the event that you aren't trolling, if you really think that ADT yard
signs are more effective than any other yard signs, then ebay always has
dozens of ADT yard signs listed.

Doug
 
C

Crash Gordon

HEy...if I were a burglar...those are the homes I would be targeting.

--
**Crash Gordon**
 
In the event that you aren't trolling, if you really think that ADT yard
signs are more effective than any other yard signs, then ebay always has
dozens of ADT yard signs listed.

Doug

I had a feeling my question must sound ridiculous to all of you, but
as someone just investigating my options, I am of course first faced
with the hype.

Thanks for clarifying!

We were about to sign a three-year contract tomorrow with ADT, for $43/
month and $1050 worth of equipment plus $95 municipal construction
fee. And then I decided to dig a little deeper!

Just for fun, I'll tell you what was included in the ADT package:
Service:
- Standard Monthly Service, Burglary
- Safewatch Cellguard
- Extended Limited Warranty/Quality Service Plan

Equipment:
- 2 custom keypads
- 3 door sensors
- 3 motions (2 basement, 1 first floor)
- 4 window sensors
- 1 cell backup parallel
- 1 remote
- 1 telco (?, can't read this, it could be something else that begins
with 'Te')
- 1 sounder
 
N

nick markowitz

I had a feeling my question must sound ridiculous to all of you, but
as someone just investigating my options, I am of course first faced
with the hype.

Thanks for clarifying!

We were about to sign a three-year contract tomorrow with ADT, for $43/
month and $1050 worth of equipment plus $95 municipal construction
fee. And then I decided to dig a little deeper!

Just for fun, I'll tell you what was included in the ADT package:
Service:
- Standard Monthly Service, Burglary
- Safewatch Cellguard
- Extended Limited Warranty/Quality Service Plan

Equipment:
- 2 custom keypads
- 3 door sensors
- 3 motions (2 basement, 1 first floor)
- 4 window sensors
- 1 cell backup parallel
- 1 remote
- 1 telco (?, can't read this, it could be something else that begins
with 'Te')
- 1 sounder- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

First off i would never use a yard sign why are you cluing off a
burglar you have a system so he knows in advance to cut wires take
precautions etc. everyone knowns hgow a brinks or adt system is
installed when a small guy like me puts a custom system in your dead
meat becuse each system is different and takes much more knowledge to
get by and when you dont know its there it highly likely you will
get trapped. More important when a burglar walks down a street and
sees a sign on your house and not see one some one else's he thinks
what does this person have that's valuable their worried about that
other person does not advertise it.
I have a cousin whose husband works as a guard in state prison who can
confirm the above the only thing the sign does is deter the amateur
thief not a professional burglar.
All you have done is wasted your money you want to deter thiefs a
simple alarm is not enough it takes locks lights and a whole other
list of precautuions.
 
J

Jim

I had a feeling my question must sound ridiculous to all of you, but
as someone just investigating my options, I am of course first faced
with the hype.

Thanks for clarifying!

We were about to sign a three-year contract tomorrow with ADT, for $43/
month and $1050 worth of equipment plus $95 municipal construction
fee. And then I decided to dig a little deeper!

Just for fun, I'll tell you what was included in the ADT package:
Service:
- Standard Monthly Service, Burglary
- Safewatch Cellguard
- Extended Limited Warranty/Quality Service Plan

Equipment:
- 2 custom keypads
- 3 door sensors
- 3 motions (2 basement, 1 first floor)
- 4 window sensors
- 1 cell backup parallel
- 1 remote
- 1 telco (?, can't read this, it could be something else that begins
with 'Te')
- 1 sounder-

Here's the story... briefly.....................
This industry is largely made up of small independent alarm companys.
However, it's the large companys who've got the money for advertising
that get all the notice. Unfortunately, because they 're so big, they
cannot compete on a one for one basis with the smaller independents,
especially for the personal service that they can provide. Although
the National companys monitor millions of accounts, the quantity of
accounts that are monitored through independent installation companys,
far outnumbers them. The Nationals, in my opinion, are not in the
security business but in the "paper" business. They make X amount of
dollars per month on every account they install, just like every alarm
installation business, but they've built their business model on the
fact that they can make as much money per month on installing a few
doors an a motion detector or two ( ie as little as possible) as they
can by installing a complete system. By "paper" business, I mean that
with every installation they do, they can take that contract to the
bank, borrow money against it and install three or four more systems.
It's not about security, it's about "recurring revenue". I don't know
where you are located, but in my area (US Northeast) one of their
other "tricks" is to charge more per (additional) opening, or increase
the monthly amount when you show interest in having more than the
basic 2 or 3 doors and a motion detector installed. This because, to
them, to install a "bigger" system, they can't do as many
installations per day and it actually cuts down on their profit.
It's all about the "monthly" They'd rather do 2 "quicky" installations
a day for $43.00 per month than take two days to only get one $43.00
account.

I'm not going to quote a price on the system you outlined because
installations are highly affected by what the going price is in your
particular area. However, the monthly monitoring fee ranges/averages
anywhere from $20.00 to 30.00 per month nationally, from independents.
There are central stations that will monitor your system for
substantially less, but you lose the advantage of having someone who
is familar with you and your system, being available to provide you
with custom service and information, should you require it. You'd have
to service the system yourself and if you did need help, calling in a
dealer who wasn't responsible for your monitoring would like result
in much higher sevice fees. With the Nationals, your going to have one
"crew" install it and for service (which is reputed to be slow, at
best) will be done by whoever is available at the time. You'll likely
never see familiar face again.

Another tidbit of information about the Nationals is that the majority
of the companys doing the installations are simply local companys who
are "franchised" to use the National name and there is no guarantee
that, other than the National name, that your installation will have
any direct contact with the National company. These companys are not
"employees" of the National company but just local "representatives"
who will do the installation and then sell your contract to the
National company and then you are simply another account in the big
machine. In the case of Brinks, you never even own the equipment. They
have been known to not be too explicit about informing people about
that.

Now, of course there's a downside to using an independent also. The
Nationals will tell you that the independents monitor your alarm from
their "basement" and that their central station is a professional
central with all the approvals and cetifications. The reality is, the
overwhelming majority of independents use, what we refer to as "third
party" centrals. These are fully approved and certified centrals that
cater to independents and as a whole, monitor more alarms than all the
Nationals put together. However, as with all trades, you can be the
lucky one who picks a "bad" independent as easily as you can pick any
bad contractor. The motor of the independents success, ...... is word
of mouth referrals. Look around your area, on shop doors and windows,
other lawn signs ( Yes, there are many, if you look) and don't be shy
in asking how they like their alarm company. They'll be more than
happy to tell you. If there is state licensing in your state, there
should be a web site where you can obtain a list of companys and also
look for local or state alarm associations where you will find a list
of companys ..... other than the Nationals. It is important that you
get a number of estimates so that you can compare not only prices but
approaches to your particular security needs. There's more than one
way to "skin the cat" as they say.
Do your homework, as you seem to be doing by coming here and asking
questions.

Among the people who frequent this group, we refer to the Nationals as
the "Lick and Stick" companys .... for good reason. I think of the
Nationals as the alarm installation companys who are there for the
consumers who are not willing to do the research that home or business
security (should) require. If you're considering home securtiy, you've
got a reason. Think about what it is you want to accomplish and
actually WHY you are considering security and if you want to put it
into the hands of someone who thinks of your personal, family and home
security as a "commodity".... or not. I'm sure you'll find that
although cost is a major factor ..... after all .....It's about peace
of mind, once the system is installed.
 
S

Steven Vaughan

It makes a lot of sense to me to install our own system and have it
monitored by a company like Next Alarm.

What I'm concerned about is the signs outside the house will not be
the familiar ADT/Brinks signs and therefore not have the same
effectiveness at deterring potential burglars. What are your thoughts
on that?


My thoughts are that an ADT or Brinks sign in front of your home is
comparable to having a Yugo or Fiat insignia on your car- folks are gonna
know that a)- the owner is cheap, and b)- he doesn't have a very good alarm
system (or car)

Want REAL security? Go with a local company- more money up front, lower
ongoing costs, and a REAL security system; not cookie-cutter BS. In 9
independent companies out of 10, you WILL save money over time, have a
better system, and will scare away or detect the criminals more easily.

Trust me on this. I used to work for ADT. I've also worked for small local
companies, and owned my own- there is no comparison. I do not currently work
in the alarm industry. (I sell CCTV equipment to small businesses &
Do-It-Yourselfers)
 
A

alarman

Well said.

--
js

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

Here's the story... briefly.....................
This industry is largely made up of small independent alarm companys.
However, it's the large companys who've got the money for advertising
that get all the notice. Unfortunately, because they 're so big, they
cannot compete on a one for one basis with the smaller independents,
especially for the personal service that they can provide. Although
the National companys monitor millions of accounts, the quantity of
accounts that are monitored through independent installation companys,
far outnumbers them. The Nationals, in my opinion, are not in the
security business but in the "paper" business. They make X amount of
dollars per month on every account they install, just like every alarm
installation business, but they've built their business model on the
fact that they can make as much money per month on installing a few
doors an a motion detector or two ( ie as little as possible) as they
can by installing a complete system. By "paper" business, I mean that
with every installation they do, they can take that contract to the
bank, borrow money against it and install three or four more systems.
It's not about security, it's about "recurring revenue". I don't know
where you are located, but in my area (US Northeast) one of their
other "tricks" is to charge more per (additional) opening, or increase
the monthly amount when you show interest in having more than the
basic 2 or 3 doors and a motion detector installed. This because, to
them, to install a "bigger" system, they can't do as many
installations per day and it actually cuts down on their profit.
It's all about the "monthly" They'd rather do 2 "quicky" installations
a day for $43.00 per month than take two days to only get one $43.00
account.

I'm not going to quote a price on the system you outlined because
installations are highly affected by what the going price is in your
particular area. However, the monthly monitoring fee ranges/averages
anywhere from $20.00 to 30.00 per month nationally, from independents.
There are central stations that will monitor your system for
substantially less, but you lose the advantage of having someone who
is familar with you and your system, being available to provide you
with custom service and information, should you require it. You'd have
to service the system yourself and if you did need help, calling in a
dealer who wasn't responsible for your monitoring would like result
in much higher sevice fees. With the Nationals, your going to have one
"crew" install it and for service (which is reputed to be slow, at
best) will be done by whoever is available at the time. You'll likely
never see familiar face again.

Another tidbit of information about the Nationals is that the majority
of the companys doing the installations are simply local companys who
are "franchised" to use the National name and there is no guarantee
that, other than the National name, that your installation will have
any direct contact with the National company. These companys are not
"employees" of the National company but just local "representatives"
who will do the installation and then sell your contract to the
National company and then you are simply another account in the big
machine. In the case of Brinks, you never even own the equipment. They
have been known to not be too explicit about informing people about
that.

Now, of course there's a downside to using an independent also. The
Nationals will tell you that the independents monitor your alarm from
their "basement" and that their central station is a professional
central with all the approvals and cetifications. The reality is, the
overwhelming majority of independents use, what we refer to as "third
party" centrals. These are fully approved and certified centrals that
cater to independents and as a whole, monitor more alarms than all the
Nationals put together. However, as with all trades, you can be the
lucky one who picks a "bad" independent as easily as you can pick any
bad contractor. The motor of the independents success, ...... is word
of mouth referrals. Look around your area, on shop doors and windows,
other lawn signs ( Yes, there are many, if you look) and don't be shy
in asking how they like their alarm company. They'll be more than
happy to tell you. If there is state licensing in your state, there
should be a web site where you can obtain a list of companys and also
look for local or state alarm associations where you will find a list
of companys ..... other than the Nationals. It is important that you
get a number of estimates so that you can compare not only prices but
approaches to your particular security needs. There's more than one
way to "skin the cat" as they say.
Do your homework, as you seem to be doing by coming here and asking
questions.

Among the people who frequent this group, we refer to the Nationals as
the "Lick and Stick" companys .... for good reason. I think of the
Nationals as the alarm installation companys who are there for the
consumers who are not willing to do the research that home or business
security (should) require. If you're considering home securtiy, you've
got a reason. Think about what it is you want to accomplish and
actually WHY you are considering security and if you want to put it
into the hands of someone who thinks of your personal, family and home
security as a "commodity".... or not. I'm sure you'll find that
although cost is a major factor ..... after all .....It's about peace
of mind, once the system is installed.
 
T

tourman

Here's the story... briefly.....................
This industry is largely made up of small independent alarm companys.
However, it's the large companys who've got the money for advertising
that get all the notice. Unfortunately, because they 're so big, they
cannot compete on a one for one basis with the smaller independents,
especially for the personal service that they can provide. Although
the National companys monitor millions of accounts, the quantity of
accounts that are monitored through independent installation companys,
far outnumbers them. The Nationals, in my opinion, are not in the
security business but in the "paper" business. They make X amount of
dollars per month on every account they install, just like every alarm
installation business, but they've built their business model on the
fact that they can make as much money per month on installing a few
doors an a motion detector or two ( ie as little as possible)  as they
can by installing a complete system. By "paper" business, I mean that
with every installation they do, they can take that contract to the
bank, borrow money against it and install three or four more systems.
It's not about security, it's about "recurring revenue".  I don't know
where you are located, but in my area (US Northeast) one of their
other "tricks" is to charge more per (additional) opening, or increase
the monthly amount when you show interest in having more than the
basic 2 or 3 doors and a motion detector installed. This because, to
them, to install a "bigger" system, they can't do as many
installations per day and it actually cuts down on their profit.
It's all about the "monthly" They'd rather do 2 "quicky" installations
a day for $43.00 per month than take two days to only get one $43.00
account.

I'm not going to quote a price on the system you outlined because
installations are highly affected by what the going price is in your
particular area. However, the monthly monitoring fee ranges/averages
anywhere from $20.00 to 30.00 per month nationally, from independents.
There are central stations that will monitor your system for
substantially less, but you lose the advantage of having someone who
is familar with you and your system, being available to provide you
with custom service and information, should you require it. You'd have
to service the system yourself and if you did need help, calling in a
dealer who wasn't  responsible for your monitoring would like result
in much higher sevice fees. With the Nationals, your going to have one
"crew" install it and for service (which is reputed to be slow, at
best) will be done by whoever is available at the time. You'll likely
never see  familiar face again.

Another tidbit of information about the Nationals is that the majority
of the companys doing the installations are simply local companys who
are "franchised" to use the National name and there is no guarantee
that, other than the National name, that your installation will have
any direct contact with the National company. These companys are not
"employees"  of the National company but just local "representatives"
who will do the installation and then sell your contract to the
National company and then you are simply another account in the big
machine. In the case of Brinks, you never even own the equipment. They
have been known to not be too explicit about informing people about
that.

Now, of course there's a downside to using an independent also. The
Nationals will tell you that the independents monitor your alarm from
their "basement" and that their central station is a professional
central with all the approvals and cetifications. The reality is, the
overwhelming majority of independents use, what we refer to as "third
party" centrals. These are fully approved and certified centrals that
cater to independents and as a whole, monitor more alarms than all the
Nationals put together. However, as with all trades, you can be the
lucky one who picks a "bad" independent as easily as you can pick any
bad contractor. The motor of the independents success, ...... is word
of mouth referrals.  Look around your area, on shop doors and windows,
other lawn signs  ( Yes, there are many, if you look) and don't be shy
in asking how they like their alarm company. They'll be more than
happy to tell you. If there is state licensing in your state, there
should be a web site where you can obtain a list of companys and also
look for local or state alarm associations where  you will find a list
of companys ..... other than the Nationals. It is important that you
get a number of estimates so that  you can compare not only prices but
approaches to your particular security needs. There's more than one
way to "skin the cat" as they say.
Do your homework, as you seem to be doing by coming here and asking
questions.

Among the people who frequent this group, we refer to the Nationals as
the "Lick and Stick" companys .... for good reason. I think of the
Nationals as the alarm installation companys who are there for the
consumers who are not willing to do the research that home or business
security (should) require. If you're considering home securtiy, you've
got a reason. Think about what it is you want to accomplish and
actually WHY you are considering security and if you want to put it
into the hands of someone who thinks of your personal, family and home
security as a "commodity".... or not.  I'm sure you'll find that
although cost is a major factor ..... after all .....It's about peace
of mind, once the system is installed.

RHC: Yup, that about says it.

However, you realize you have now officially beaten me out as the most
long winded member of this newsgroup.....:(
 
C

Crash Gordon

and I think he beat me out on use of ellipses as well...my favorite
punctuation mark.

--
**Crash Gordon**
 
G

G. Morgan

Crash said:
and I think he beat me out on use of ellipses as well...my favorite
punctuation mark.

I like ellipses too... but, I prefer the comma.
 
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