J
Jim Thompson
Check out Hans Camenzind's (free, downloadable) book....
http://www.arraydesign.com/designinganalogchips.pdf
...Jim Thompson
http://www.arraydesign.com/designinganalogchips.pdf
...Jim Thompson
Nice, the works!Check out Hans Camenzind's (free, downloadable) book....
http://www.arraydesign.com/designinganalogchips.pdf
Jim:
I love the way Hans weaves "the history" in with the technology.
We need to remember "the greats".
Peter said:Jim:
I love the way Hans weaves "the history" in with the technology.
We need to remember "the greats".
Why?. What do you mean by "greats"
Electronics is simply not on a par with say, physics. There are lots of
truly trivial circuits which are essentially, the *first* things that
would randamly pop into peoples minds, yet have names attached to them
as if such circuits are a measure of that named persons worth. The only
reason that certain names are attached to such trivial, obvious
circuits, is that others were not present at the time. Being first to do
something is not, on its own, a measure of value.
Jim Thompson said:Check out Hans Camenzind's (free, downloadable) book....
http://www.arraydesign.com/designinganalogchips.pdf
...Jim Thompson
Winfield said:Kevin Aylward wrote...
Some of us, who in the 60s and 70s struggled with ways to improve
circuit concepts like the band-gap reference, and to create
low-voltage low-power circuitry,
have considerable respect for
"greats" like Robert Widlar, who features prominently in Camenzind's
book. But perhaps you'd have had to have been there and done that,
and read with excitement and pleasure a new Widlar article in the
Journal of Solid-State Circuits, etc.
With all due respect to Widlar, are you really suggesting
that he is on a par to Fynmann and Einstein?
Kevin said:But by itself, struggling to do something, is not a measure of merit.
A factor is whether or not "typical" individuals, if actually given the
same opportunity would have achieved similar results. *Someone* has to
be
there at the start of a new discipline. There is no reason to presume
that such firsts are special. It requires evidence.
The "greats" is certainly a subjective evaluation. However, to be
"great" one needs evidence that what such "great" individuals achieved,
was *way* *better* than what a "normal" person would have achieved. I
don't
see any evidence for this for many of the often quoted names in
electronics. This is in contrast to names like Fynmann, Dirac,
Hiesenburg, Einstein etc. where detailed examination of their work
clearly shows immense ability outwith the *norm*. Indeed, to be quite
frank, there is no comparison between the common names mentioned in
physics with those often quoted in electronics. Electronics is simply
not that challenging, despite the need for many of us engaged in such
work wanting our work to have great status. It doesn't. Its usually, the
same shit, different day sort of thing.
Its all too easy to give credit to those we know about, ie ones who get
the press, irrespective of their worth. This is a basic phenomena of
evolution. Popular traits are held in high regard because
probabilistically popular traits are the, ones that are maximised.
With all due respect to Widlar, are you really suggesting that he is on
a par to Fynmann and Einstein?
Being pretty good at ones job, does not make one great. In fact, what is
termed good should be classed as "normal". A competent individual in his
profession should be expected to have a certain standard that is above
the layman in that same profession. For example, I rarely clap when
watching a live band. They are *supposed* to sound "good", i.e not bad.
A quote comes to mind from Mutiny on the Bounty , "sir, if we are to
thrash them for minor infractions, what are we to do with them for more
serious ones".
Kevin Aylward wrote...
Widlar was great, yes, but he certainly was not in the superstar
league of Feynman and Einstein. If I were to call them "great,"
that would be to damn with faint praise.
Let's check the Goggle ratings,
Hans Camenzind - 256
Widlar - 856, Robert Widlar + Bob Widlar - 159 + 199 = 358
Winfield Hill - 6,090, Paul Horowitz - 6,480
Bob Pease + Robert Pease - 5,250 + 4,390 = 9640
Kevin Aylward - 13,000
Feynman - 460,000
Einstein - 4,330,000
Hah, I threw the 3rd and 5th lines in there to show just how
silly these "ratings" can be. Kevin Aylward includes this guy,
http://wizbangblog.com/ who proves that those "Kevin Aylward"
types are sure interesting folks.
BTW, Michael Jackson gets 2,400,000 so Einstein is doing OK.
Thanks,
- Win
(email: use hill_at_rowland-dot-org for now)
Jim said:Jim Thompson gets 174,000... mostly crooks and thieves
I don't know why Kevin has to have such a sour personality...
he must
feel really insufficient and impotent ;-)
Peter said:Jim:
I love the way Hans weaves "the history" in with the technology.
We need to remember "the greats".
Jim said:Hans is a neat guy, although you have to be cautious... he sent a few
projects my way because he was "too busy"... they were the clients
from hell![]()
Kevin Aylward said:I'm a realist. I see life how it really is.
It doesn't. Its usually, the
same shit, different day sort of thing.
Its all too easy to give credit to those we know about, ie ones who get
the press, irrespective of their worth. This is a basic phenomena of
evolution. Popular traits are held in high regard because
probabilistically popular traits are the, ones that are maximised.
With all due respect to Widlar, are you really suggesting that he is on
a par to Fynmann and Einstein?
Being pretty good at ones job, does not make one great. In fact, what is
Winfield said:Kevin Aylward wrote...
Widlar was great, yes, but he certainly was not in the superstar
league of Feynman and Einstein. If I were to call them "great,"
that would be to damn with faint praise.
Let's check the Goggle ratings,
Hans Camenzind - 256
Widlar - 856, Robert Widlar + Bob Widlar - 159 + 199 = 358
Winfield Hill - 6,090, Paul Horowitz - 6,480
Bob Pease + Robert Pease - 5,250 + 4,390 = 9640
Kevin Aylward - 13,000
Feynman - 460,000
Einstein - 4,330,000
Hah, I threw the 3rd and 5th lines in there to show just how
silly these "ratings" can be. Kevin Aylward includes this guy,
http://wizbangblog.com/ who proves that those "Kevin Aylward"
types are sure interesting folks.
BTW, Michael Jackson gets 2,400,000 so Einstein is doing OK.
Watson said:Maybe he figured you could handle them because your reputation as
SuperDesigner preceded you....
That doesn't mean you have to go around being such a black cloud to the rest
of the world.
planet couldn't hold a candle to the likes of Bob Widlar much less Feynman
and Einstein,
whatever their lot in life is, even if it is something as mundane as picking
cotton in a field... or designing electronics.![]()
[snip]circuits, is that others were not present at the time. Being first to do
something is not, on its own, a measure of value.
Kevin Aylward