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Gasoline to Diesel conversion kits?

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GeekBoy

With all the small gasoline engines out there available almost free or lost
cost anyone know of a kit or way to convert these over to diesel?

I have been searching the net without luck. Most conversions are LP, CNG, or
ethanol.

Thanks!
 
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Steve Spence

GeekBoy said:
With all the small gasoline engines out there available almost free or lost
cost anyone know of a kit or way to convert these over to diesel?

I have been searching the net without luck. Most conversions are LP, CNG, or
ethanol.

Thanks!
Not feasible.
 
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SQLit

GeekBoy said:
With all the small gasoline engines out there available almost free or lost
cost anyone know of a kit or way to convert these over to diesel?

I have been searching the net without luck. Most conversions are LP, CNG, or
ethanol.

Thanks!

Your kidding ............ right?

I suggest that you do some library time.

There are SERIOUS differences between gasoline and diesel engines.
 
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GeekBoy

SQLit said:
Your kidding ............ right?

I suggest that you do some library time.

There are SERIOUS differences between gasoline and diesel engines.

Oh yeah suuuuree...that is why for the longest time the Chevy diesel v8
engine was just a gasonline engine that had been converted to use diesel.
 
Funny, I was going to cite GM's experience as evidence that it couldn't
be done. It wasn't exactly a resounding success.


Much easier to do like VW and make a gas engine out of a deisel lump
(like the old Rabbit/Golf)
 
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Steve Spence

GeekBoy said:
Oh yeah suuuuree...that is why for the longest time the Chevy diesel v8
engine was just a gasonline engine that had been converted to use diesel.
factory converted ......
 
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Robert Bates

It is possible to run a gas engine on kerosene or diesel but it is still an
spark ignition, not compression ignition. The engine must be warmed up on
gas and then switched to the other fuel. Briggs and Stratton had a factory
engine around 10 hp many years ago with a dual chamber fuel tank. Many of
the gas tractors from the 30's to the 50's also could burn alternate fuels.
 
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Arnold Walker

You do not want to repeat the GM lemon diesel mistake.
If you are talking an old farm tractor with bearings to handle diesel torque
and compression ....yes.
But most other gas engine conversions are doomed to failure.
 
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Arnold Walker

GeekBoy said:
Oh yeah suuuuree...that is why for the longest time the Chevy diesel v8
engine was just a gasonline engine that had been converted to use diesel.
Did you notice the lack of service life on that Chevy diesel compared to
almost anything diesel?
 
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Arnold Walker

Tony Wesley said:
diesel.

Funny, I was going to cite GM's experience as evidence that it couldn't
be done. It wasn't exactly a resounding success.
To add insult to injury....they owned Cummins and Detroit.And still made
mistakes,diesel engine designers
can only shake thier head at.Without consulting either of them.
They were so out of touch with diesel design.
That did they use an engine ,that lacked of bearing area and lubrication.But
they also dropped to a smaller transmission.
On an engine that needed a min. of a Turbo400 heavy duty.....they install a
Turbo 200.
So not only, were you seeing short life engines.......but overloaded
transmissions almost leaping out of the car or truck.
As thier torque convertor and cluches fried.
 
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GeekBoy

Tony Wesley said:
Funny, I was going to cite GM's experience as evidence that it couldn't
be done. It wasn't exactly a resounding success.

Lets not forget the famous of all..the military Duce and a Half. Its an
inline 6 that can run on common combustible fuel. Throw whatever is
available into the fuel tank and go.
 
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GeekBoy

Arnold Walker said:
You do not want to repeat the GM lemon diesel mistake.
If you are talking an old farm tractor with bearings to handle diesel
torque
and compression ....yes.
But most other gas engine conversions are doomed to failure.

Well I was thinking an old Briggs and Stratton mover and turninng into
diesel generator.
 
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GeekBoy

Steve Spence said:
factory converted ......

True but was hoping someone made a conversion kit..new head and an injector
to replace the carb.
 
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Steve Spence

GeekBoy said:
True but was hoping someone made a conversion kit..new head and an injector
to replace the carb.

It won't hold together. Diesels are 20:1 compression, not 8:1 like a
gas. There's not enough beef.
 
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Gordon Richmond

Lots of misinformation in this thread.

To answer Geekboy's original question: no Diesel conversion kits that
I know of, and for most of the reasons other posters have mentioned.
Even if the the bottom end of your existing engine could stand the
guff, and in the case of Briggs and Stratton, I'd suggest not, you
need a tougher piston, a totally different cylinder head, different
camshaft, not to mention an injection pump.

Kind of like making a cow into racehorse. I mean they've both got four
feet.....

As far as I know, the Diesel VW was a conversion from the gasoline
motor, which was originally an Audi design. Biggest weakness is the
belt-driven camshaft. It's an interference engine, big time.

The 5.7 liter Oldsmobile-derived GM Diesel was indeed put in cars,
Oldsmobiles and Cadillacs among them. I remember driving an Olds
Diesel that friend brought to me for electrical work. Engine ran just
fine; I think it was a '77 model.

People like to deride the 5.7 GM Diesel, and to a lesser extent the
6.2 which succeeded it. I think the biggest strike it had against it
was the fact that GM had begun selling Diesel vehicles to a car-buying
public that was for the most part really ill-informed as to the need
of developing new driving habits such as, horror of horrors, actually
letting the engine warm up before driving off. And maybe changing the
oil regularly, regardless.

I have been driving a Suburban with a 6.2 liter Diesel for five years
now, and it has never missed a beat, and I've probably put over
300,000 km on an engine that already was far from new. I replaced the
water pump this Spring, as a preventive maintenance measure, and
changed the front crankshaft seal at the same time. That is as deep as
I've had to go into that engine.

I bought another, 3/4 ton, Suburban 3 years ago, with a broken 6.2
engine; the crankshaft broke in half, I think because the harmonic
balancer was not adequately tightened. Basically destoyed the poor
engine, though. I pulled a rust-seized 6.2 out of a parts truck, had a
machine shop re-ring and re-bearing the bottom end, and assembled the
remainder of the engine myself. It's on its first extended road trip
right now. Runs like a pup, but it developed a coolant leak from one
of the two frost-plug type block heaters I installed. And the rebuilt
alternator up and died. Neither problem shut me down, though, and both
are readily and inexpensively fixed.

As far as I'm concerned, the 6.2 engine in a Suburban (for my needs)
is very good value for the money. It has adequate, if unspectacular
power, is frugal with fuel, and it's simple enough that I can do my
own maintenance, all for a capital outlay of about a tenth what a
Dodge with the Cummins engine or a Ford Powerstroke would cost me.

Gordon Richmond
 
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GeekBoy

Robert Morein said:
Geekboy,
The reason it's essentially impossible is that:

1. Every moving part in a diesel has to be stronger. The block itself has
to be stronger. The space in the cylinder when the piston is at the top of
travel, is smaller. This is what is known as higher compression ratio.
2. The actual way the motor is jointed -- the size of the pistons, the
length of the connecting rods, etc., is different.
3. The fuel is delivered by injection directly into the cylinder. This is
not the case with gasoline engines.
4. All the "controls" that govern engine operation are of a different
type, with different operating principles.

So, as you can see, there is little in common with a gasoline engine,
except that they both have pistons that go up and down :)

Then what about the multi-fuel military duce and a half? It can run on
Gasoline or diesel.
 
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GeekBoy

Robert Morein said:
The classical engines, which are still the most common, are Diesel or
Otto. Practically every engine falls into one of these two categories. The
Deuce-and-a-half is a diesel. Diesel engines can burn a wide variety of
fuels, including gasoline, particularly if the engine has an adjustment
for the optimal fuel-air ratio of particular fuel. That said, the use of
gasoline in a deuce-and-a-half reduces the life expectancy of the fuel
delivery system, which includes a high pressure pump that relies on the
lubricative properties of diesel.

Besides the heavy construction of a diesel engine, there is a fundamental
difference in the control of ignition. In a diesel, the fuel is injected
at the top of the piston stroke, under extremely high pressure, and burns
instantly. In an Otto engine, the fuel is introduced into the the cylinder
when the piston is at the bottom. The fuel must not be susceptible to
spontaneous combusion as the piston moves up; this is called antiknock.
And the fuel must be maintained as a mist of droplets with a particular
size, or it will not burn properly. It must not turn into a vapor, and it
must not condense out, or the sparkplug will not ignite it. By contrast,
the fuel which is injected into a diesel burns when it is injected.

A diesel has holes bored into each cylinder. Each of these holes has an
injector. An Otto has holes bored into the intake manifold, one for each
injector, so that, when the intake valve of a cylinder is open, the
injector will spray into the opening.
Well thank you for the class on diesel engine structures and operations.
It was quite informative

Thanks to everyone else who posted information also!
 
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Steve Spence

GeekBoy said:
Then what about the multi-fuel military duce and a half? It can run on
Gasoline or diesel.
It's designed to do so. It's built like a diesel, with spark plugs. It's
not necessarily optimized for either.
 
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Dave Hinz

Oh yeah suuuuree...that is why for the longest time the Chevy diesel v8
engine was just a gasonline engine that had been converted to use diesel.

You mean the engine that set back the reputation of diesel engines in
passenger cars in the US for decades? _that_ clusterfuck of an engine?
 
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