FYI Phoenix Motor Cars

[Island Computers, D B Turner]

Very very interesting

http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com

All electric

I wonder how long before GM and their Oil Partners try to sue them or buy
them out?!??!?!



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Island Computers US Corp
2700 Gregory St
Savannah GA 31404
Tel: 912 447 6622 x201
Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com
(You know what to do with the dashes)

 

[Mark Walsh]

Very very interesting

http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com

All electric

I wonder how long before GM and their Oil Partners try to sue them or buy
them out?!??!?!



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Island Computers US Corp
2700 Gregory St
Savannah GA 31404
Tel: 912 447 6622 x201
Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com
(You know what to do with the dashes)

At $75,000 per battery pack, I don't think GM and the oil companies are too
concerned yet.

http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/news/2006/pr_122806.html

Mark Walsh

 

[Steve Spence]

not too many homes have enough service to run that charger.

 

[Mauried]

not too many homes have enough service to run that charger.

Id lile to see the warranty for the battery pack.
Any money there isnt one or its 2 years max.

 

[Erdemal]

I want to see one of their 230v / 1000 Amp charger plugs that is supposed to
charge a 35kwh battery in 10 minutes!

The 230v charge is 6 hours, only 6000W/30A.

They dont say much about the 10 minutes charge ? Is it
a direct charge at 24v in example with something like
10000A . As you wrote, I let you imagine the plug, the
wires, the switch, the sparks, the noise, the necessary
glasses, the bunker.

They dont say much the battery charcteristics either ...
I cant even found the working voltage

I seems that if I had one of their batteries about the size of a regular car
battery, it would hold all the measly 2kwh that I use in a day and I could
recharge it in 10-12 minutes with my big contractor generator. Why wait for
solar panels to charge up?

Hmmm

Our future is in good hands!

Erdy

 

[Mauried]

Here's one cost to own scenario... given ICE truck that costs $20,000,
gets 25 mi/gal, and use $2.50 per gal for gas-> $.10/mi x 30,000 mi/yr
x 10 yr = $30,000 fuel cost, $50,000 total cost. If the EV cost
$35,000 and the 35KWhr recharge cost $5.25 ($.15 /KWhr) for 100 mi,
the 10 yr electricity cost would be $15750, total $50,750.... about
the same.

You cant buy an EV for $35K that has a 35KW/H battery pack.
The lowest cost hi energy density batteries are currently LI Ion
polymer at approx $1K per KW/H, so the battery pack alone would cost
$35K, and that doesnt cover the replacement costs after 5 years.
The batteries are simply outrageously expensive,and to unreliable.

 

[Erdemal]

This suggests that pure electric vehicles are probably not going to be a
significant chunk of the automotive population for some time to come.
Even PHEVs may be problematic. The electric utilities will have
problems meeting the demand when electric/PHEVs become popular.

You cant feed dinosaures with daisies.

Erdy