Evironmentally Friendly Explosive Refridgerator

[amdx]

Oops,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-caused-environmentally-friendly-coolant.html

 

[Martin Riddle]

Oops,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-caused-environmentally-friendly-coolant.html

Propane as a refrigerant? Cool.

cheers

 

[amdx]

Propane as a refrigerant? Cool.

cheers

Yea, Cool

Till its Hot.
Mike

 

[Martin Brown]

Propane as a refrigerant? Cool.

Actually it isn't. Butane is worse. Several of the mixes used in the
immediate post CFC era are only any good if the fridge or freezer is in
a kitchen at ambient >10C and loses efficiency below that temperature.
If the external temperature drops below about 2C they stop working
entirely. The working fluid at the internal pressure liquifies and sits
in the reservoir. This makes the whole thing useless in an unheated
garage. The warning is in the small print of the guarantee.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

Way back when, a lot of fridges used ammonia...

Industrial heavyweight plant still does at least in parts of the
chemical industry. I remember one plant with a 30' flywheel on the
compressor of a plant making batches of hollow rectangular ice cubes
that were roughly man sized for the azo dye process. You could always
smell a trace of ammonia in the air.

It is way too poisonous for domestic use but still an extremely good
working fluid for the right temperature range of freezing water. There
were a lot of nasty accidents with it in homes.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

Way back when, a lot of fridges used ammonia...

Industrial heavyweight plant still does at least in parts of the
chemical industry. I remember one plant with a 30' flywheel on the
compressor of a plant making batches of hollow rectangular ice cubes
that were roughly man sized for the azo dye process. You could always
smell a trace of ammonia in the air.

It is way too poisonous for domestic use but still an extremely good
working fluid for the right temperature range of freezing water. There
were a lot of nasty accidents with it in homes.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

exploding-fridges-caused-environmentally-friendly-coolant.html

So if you take all the amount of environmental benefit for the ones that
_don't_ explode, and you subtract out the amount of environmental damage
caused by the cleanup for the ones that _do_ explode, is the net
environmental impact positive or negative?

It is probably positive assuming you like have an ozone layer and be
able to walk around outside without being harmed by UV radiation. Pretty
annoying though if your fridge explodes - a rare event first time I have
heard of it actually happening. Maybe they should add a mercaptan to it.

Badly installed bottled gas central heating is a much more common
problem and a *much* bigger bang. A house not far from me expired
spectacularly this way with an illegally fitted CH system - insurance
loss adjusters could not believe their luck payout was zero.

Unlike the head in the sand "let's party harder" anti-warmingists that
like to drivel onto this group, I do care more about the environment than
about where my next beer is coming from.

Main problem with the propane/butane/pentane fridge mixes apart from
flammability is they are useless in garages during winter.

But gawd some of the environmentalists can be uber-dippy.

Unfortunately there is a pretty weird green fringe and always has been.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

Oops,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-caused-environmentally-friendly-coolant.html

Ah, the unintended consequences of ozonism AND warmingism.

Feh.
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

exploding-fridges-caused-environmentally-friendly-coolant.html

So if you take all the amount of environmental benefit for the ones that
_don't_ explode, and you subtract out the amount of environmental damage
caused by the cleanup for the ones that _do_ explode, is the net
environmental impact positive or negative?

What's the cost of the injuries caused by these exploding
"environmentally-friendly" fridges?

Doesn't this mean that "environmentally-friendly" means "human-hostile"?

Unlike the head in the sand "let's party harder" anti-warmingists that
like to drivel onto this group, I do care more about the environment than
about where my next beer is coming from.

I'm proud to be a warmingism denier primarily because despite the
increases in "greenhouse gases", the mean temp of the Earth has not only
not increased in the last decade or so, but may actually be declining. Or
are you a denier of plain factual evidence?

Also, what have you personally done to "protect the environmnet"? Have you
forsaken your car and now use a bicycle or walk? Do you cut ice blocks
from the lake in the winter, store them in sawdust in the icehouse, and
use that to cool your beer? Where do you get your beer?

But gawd some of the environmentalists can be uber-dippy.

I think that's a prerequisite to joining the Church of Warmingism.

Thanks,
Rich