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Okitoki

Hi to all...

I just heard of a "theory" from someone that is in the escalator and
elevator business that the newer models of these public utilities have
diallers in them with... now get ready to hear this: Contact ID
protocol outputs!!! They say that these communicators are ready for use
with monitoring stations so they can monitor the activity and troubles
that occur.

Is this true? Has anyone heard of such technologies? If so has anyone
implemented these utilities into CMS's?

I must say that I am sceptical but I just wanted to ask here prior to
contacting the elevator companies and look like an idiot!!

Thanks and good luck!!
 
J

Jim Rojas

Dialers in elevators have been around for over 30 years. Nothing new there.
The units inside the elevators are 2 way voice dialers. The central station
can have a 2 way conversation with the person when they pick up the
emergency phone.

As far as the trouble and alarm supervision. Those usually get installed in
the mechnical room. Most elevators & escalators are computer controlled. So
it is not far fetch to have trouble or alarm relay outputs to trigger a
digital dialer. For that matter, you can even use a standard alarm panel to
do the same job.

The real problem that plagues the elevator industry is annual inspections.
There was a news story here in Tampa where elevators went without inspection
sometimes 3-5 years. But yet people are allowed to continue to use them. And
at that same token, if a small, well run daycare goes 1 day past their
annual fire alarm inspection, the Fire Marshal will close it down...but then
there are public schools that have non functional fire systems sometimes
going on 15 years without an inspection...stupid politics.

Jim Rojas
 
O

Okitoki

Thanks Jim on that!!

But I must add that I just wanted to know whether or not you can just
hook up a telephone line to the elevators, program an account number
and the phone number of the CMS and you can monitor the status of the
elevator without adding anything?

I guess the two-way voice tranmittion is done over the "listen-in"
feature. Has anyone done something like this? As they are using
"Contact ID" protocols there surely must be someone out there that is
actually using this??

Thanks in advance for your help!
 
Rick said:
Jim is correct that phones in elevators have been around for years.
What changed the picture was the introduction of the Americans With
Disabilities Act.

Before that Act was passed, local codes dictated whether a phone was
required in an elevator. It varied from city to city. What the ADA
said was IF the local codes required an elevator phone, then that
phone must provide equal access to everyone, including those with
disabilities. That meant that phones with dials, whether rotary or
touch tone had to go because they couldn't be operated by anyone with
a sight impairment. Think about it, you're blind and stuck in an
elevator. How can you dial out?

The next part of the ADA said that the phone couldn't require written
instructions in order for the person to use it. Same reason--for the
vision impaired. Also an important feature if you're in an elevator
during a power failure and can't read the instructions because it's
pitch black.

The ADA also dictated where the phone could be located in the
elevator. In the past, most of these phones were mounted at eye level.
But, if you're in a wheelchair, you can't reach that high. Also, if
the phone had a cord, it had to be of a minimum length so a person in
a wheelchair could use it.

After all these ADA regs came out, manufacturers developed elevator
phones with dialers built in. They operate from a single push button.
The ADA also said that there must be some visual indication that the
emergency call has been received. So manufacturers made provisions to
light a "Call Received" light. That's for hearing impaired users. On
that same issue, the ADA requires a higher minimum volume level that's
beyond most telephones.

Since most elevator occupants don't have a clue what the building
address is, or what elevator cab they are in, the manufacturers
started adding a built in location identifier.

Ultimately, some manufacturers starting including Contact ID format to
handle all the ID information.

So, the bottom line is you cannot use an ordinary telephone with a
dialer and still stay within the ADA requirments.

Since ADA emergency phones have been around for so long, and since
most building owners use them, you open yourself and your customer up
to huge liability issues if you try to skirt the telephone requirments
by using an ordinary telephone.
 
Just a small note regarding these telephones. If the elevator your
talking about is older, you most likely have a phone cabinet. Many of
the new ADA telephones are very easy to program and can be done by the
building manager. The issue you've got is this. If your elevator
doesn't meet ADA code right now and is an older system you might not
have to worry about it. The idea of mounting an ADA phone in a
telephone cabinet is done all the time but isn't code compliant. At the
same time the operable item of the telephone, the pushbutton is
supposed to be between 33" and 48" from the finished floor. Don't quote
me on that dimension as it varies from side and front return height. So
the issue here is this, your current elevator system most likey doesn't
meet ADA code but adding one isn't too difficult to do as they plug
right into the existing line that the handset was on.
 
B

Bill

I've always wondered why they have braille in parking garage elevators. I
hope these people are not driving!


in message
 
J

Jim Rojas

Why not? They probably would be safer drivers anyway... :)

Jim Rojas
 
J

Jim

Jim said:
Why not? They probably would be safer drivers anyway... :)

Well, I've been waiting for the ACLU and OSHA to join forces so that
the entire world has to modify itself to accomodate every stupid and
handicapped person.

Traffic lights with audible tones for the blind driver, should be next.
Trigger locks for nail guns. Sun glasses when using a flashlight.
Steel tip gloves for hammering nails. Every store must have a stairway,
ramp, escallator and elevator to accomodate the clostrophobic,
acrophobic, those on crutches, in wheel chairs and little children who
like to play on them, so mommy can let the store manager watch their
children while they shop.
 
Traffic lights with audible tones for the blind driver...

Those are already around for blind pedestrians. I'm trying to figure
out who decided to place Braille labels on drive-up ATMs.
Steel tip gloves for hammering nails...

Mike Tyson has a pair but not for carpentry.
Every store must have a stairway, ramp, escallator
and elevator to accomodate the clostrophobic, acrophobic,
those on crutches, in wheel chairs and little children who
like to play on them, so mommy can let the store
manager watch their children while they shop.

Beats leaving them in the parking lot where someone with a hammer might
chase them around.
 
... phones in elevators have been around for years. What changed the picture was the introduction of the Americans With Disabilities Act.
Before that Act was passed, local codes dictated whether a phone was required in an elevator. It varied from city to city. What the ADA said was IF the local codes required an elevator phone, then that phone must provide equal access to everyone, including those with disabilities. That meant that phones with dials, whether rotary or touch tone had to go because they couldn't be operated by anyone with a sight impairment. Think about it, you're blind and stuck in an elevator. How can you dial out?

I haven't seen an elevator phone with a rotary dial or dial pad on it
in many years. All new models I've run across are programmed to dial a
designated number when someone lifts the handset or presses the
emergency call button.
The next part of the ADA said that the phone couldn't require written instructions in order for the person to use it. Same reason--for the vision impaired. Also an important feature if you're in an elevator during a power failure and can't read the instructions because it's pitch black.

Most modern elevators have emergency lighting installed for just that
reason but you really don't need to dial anything (see above).
The ADA also dictated where the phone could be located in the elevator. In the past, most of these phones were mounted at eye level. But, if you're in a wheelchair, you can't reach that high. Also, if the phone had a cord, it had to be of a minimum length so a person in a wheelchair could use it.

These really are not unreasonable requirements. If you were in a
wheelchair you'd certainly want to have access to an emergency calling
system.
After all these ADA regs came out, manufacturers developed elevator phones with dialers built in. They operate from a single push button. The ADA also said that there must be some visual indication that the emergency call has been received. So manufacturers made provisions to light a "Call Received" light. That's for hearing impaired users. On that same issue, the ADA requires a higher minimum volume level that's beyond most telephones.

While some manufacturers may have waited until ADA forced their hands,
auto-dialling elevator phones have been around since a long time before
ADA. We used to monitor a few of them. I've sold a few to
electricians and even an occasional building owner who didn't want to
hire a tech to replace an existing unit.
Since most elevator occupants don't have a clue what the building address is, or what elevator cab they are in, the manufacturers started adding a built in location identifier.

Yep. Otis uses is caller ID. Their database displays the address,
contact information and even the elevator cab number on multi-unit
sites when the call comes in. They also employ electronic ID
technology on their newer installations since it allows them to bank
several cabs on a single phone line.
Ultimately, some manufacturers starting including Contact ID format to handle all the ID information. So, the bottom line is you cannot use an ordinary telephone with a
dialer and still stay within the ADA requirments.

Correct. That would never make it past the inspector.
Since ADA emergency phones have been around for so long, and since most building owners use them, you open yourself and your customer up to huge liability issues if you try to skirt the telephone requirments by using an ordinary telephone.

True. The local AHJ might also cite the owner or worse.

Regards,
Robert L Bass
www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
P

petem

Those are already around for blind pedestrians. I'm trying to figure
out who decided to place Braille labels on drive-up ATMs.

there is Braille label on drive-up atm cause any one can WALK to it..even if
there is a dog helping them doing it..
But you could not figure that out? like the pop up on your web site...
 
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