Electric Vehicle Seminar - Sydney

[David L. Jones]

For those interested in such things:

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23. Electric vehicles: Cars of the future?
EnergyAustralia invites you to this free public forum and Open Day, hosted
by guest speaker, Top Gear editorial producer and former motoring editor of
the Sydney Morning Herald, Joshua Dowling. Topics to be covered include:
? The challenges and advantages facing electric vehicles
? The differences between electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles
There will also be a display of electric and hybrid vehicles and an
EnergyAustralia representative will be discussing the potential impact of
electric vehicles on the electricity network.
Time: 10am to 2pm
Date: Sunday 26 April
Venue: Energy Efficiency Centre, Homebush Business Village Unit 12/11-21,
Underwood Road, Homebush
For more information or to register your interest, visit
http://www.eec.energyaustralia.com.au/openDay_landing.html

 

[Eeyore]

For those interested in such things:

NO.

Graham

 

[Mark Kelepouris]

NO.

Graham

What then?

Mark

 

[terryc]

NO.

So you do not follow the CSIRO vision where your roof is covered in
plastic upon which is printed a solar panel charging up your electric car
batteries?

 

[Mr.T]

So you do not follow the CSIRO vision where your roof is covered in
plastic upon which is printed a solar panel charging up your electric car
batteries?

And of course your car could be covered with them as well. What's also
missing atm however are suitable batteries.

MrT.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

NO.

Graham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors

"Tesla Motors' first production vehicle, the Tesla Roadster, is an
all-electric sports car. According to test results from an EPA
certified laboratory, the car has a range of 221 miles (356 km). The
company and reviewers state that the Tesla Roadster accelerates from
zero to 60 mph (100 km/h) in less than four seconds, and has a top
speed of 125 mph (201 km/h) (limited for safety). The cost of powering
the vehicle is estimated at US$0.02 per mile."

- Franc Zabkar

 

[terryc]

And of course your car could be covered with them as well. What's also
missing atm however are suitable batteries.

Yep, great choice, lead acid or expensive flights of fancy for impulse
power.

 

[Mauried]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors

"Tesla Motors' first production vehicle, the Tesla Roadster, is an
all-electric sports car. According to test results from an EPA
certified laboratory, the car has a range of 221 miles (356 km). The
company and reviewers state that the Tesla Roadster accelerates from
zero to 60 mph (100 km/h) in less than four seconds, and has a top
speed of 125 mph (201 km/h) (limited for safety). The cost of powering
the vehicle is estimated at US$0.02 per mile."

- Franc Zabkar

And if you have a spare $130K you can have one.
Most of the cost is the batteries.

 

[Eeyore]

What then?

PHEVs perhaps but the 40% efficient auto diesel is on the way. Plus it
can provide spare heat for cabin heating 'for free' in the important
European, Japanese and N American markets.

Sea going diesels with co-gen are right up in the 70% efficiency
category now which is at least twice as good as the efficiency of
GENERATING electricity for the grid, never mind the losses in battery
storage etc.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

So you do not follow the CSIRO vision where your roof is covered in
plastic upon which is printed a solar panel charging up your electric car
batteries?

A totally loony idea. The sun shines when the car isn't there. Besides, few
roofs are properly inclined for good generation and the efficiency of solar
panels is a sad joke.

~ 15% for expensive silicon crystal types and ~ 7% for thin film whose
durability is unknown. Don't believe newspaper articles, read the science.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

And of course your car could be covered with them as well.

Silicon isn't flexible. So you can can have a crahworthy deficient 'box'
vehicle you can mount PV panels on or get real.

I suggest you look at insolation maps and the futile amount of energy you'd
harvest too. It's BONKERS, expensive and plain ridiculous.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Yep, great choice, lead acid or expensive flights of fancy for impulse
power.

Lead acid batteries weight a collosal amount for the energy they store. And
you have to drag that weight around. They also don't last very long.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Eeyore <[email protected]> put finger to keyboard
and
composed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors

"Tesla Motors' first production vehicle, the Tesla Roadster, is an
all-electric sports car. According to test results from an EPA
certified laboratory, the car has a range of 221 miles (356 km). The
company and reviewers state that the Tesla Roadster accelerates from
zero to 60 mph (100 km/h) in less than four seconds, and has a top
speed of 125 mph (201 km/h) (limited for safety). The cost of powering
the vehicle is estimated at US$0.02 per mile."

An $80,000 2 seater millionaire's toy. Not viable for normal people.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Most of the cost is the batteries.

That's the killer, plus the cost of replacing them.

Graham

 

[terryc]

"Tesla Motors' first production vehicle, the Tesla Roadster, is an
all-electric sports car.

Thanks, but I don't need a phallic replacement toy.
An electric 2 seater ute is more my need.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Franc Zabkar"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors

"Tesla Motors' first production vehicle, the Tesla Roadster, is an
all-electric sports car. According to test results from an EPA
certified laboratory, the car has a range of 221 miles (356 km). The
company and reviewers state that the Tesla Roadster accelerates from
zero to 60 mph (100 km/h) in less than four seconds, and has a top
speed of 125 mph (201 km/h) (limited for safety). The cost of powering
the vehicle is estimated at US$0.02 per mile."

** Top Gear did a tests with that car and found it to be a piece of crap.

When driven like a sports car, the batteries lasted only minutes.

The quoted range is only possible on flat roads at bicycle speeds.

Re-charging needs a 3 phase power supply.

Replacing the cells every few years means the running cost is about $500 per
week.

Rich prick's silly toy - at best.




..... Phil

 

[terryc]

A totally loony idea. The sun shines when the car isn't there.

I suspect there would be a reasonable market size where the car is there;
retired, house parent, home office, houses now professional offices, etc.

few roofs are properly inclined for good generation and the efficiency
of solar panels is a sad joke.

The argument was futuristic, a cheap coating applied over a mass area was
cheaper than the high efficent PV over a small area.

Of course, no one is willing to discuss futuristic improvements in PV.

 

[terryc]

Lead acid batteries weight a collosal amount for the energy they store.
And you have to drag that weight around. They also don't last very long.

blink, how is your foot?
No battery lasts long if you abuse it, but LA batteries properly used can
be ancient.

The real problem is that they are so ubiquitous and installed in
inappropriate application.

OTOH, modern batteries are basically flash in the pans.

 

[Sylvia Else]

So you do not follow the CSIRO vision where your roof is covered in
plastic upon which is printed a solar panel charging up your electric car
batteries?

How much energy per day can be captured from the surface of a car?
Incident sunlight at midday is in round figures about 1kW per square
metre, but of course solar cells are not 100% efficient. Indeed, they're
nowhere near.

Sylvia.

 

[David L. Jones]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors

"Tesla Motors' first production vehicle, the Tesla Roadster, is an
all-electric sports car. According to test results from an EPA
certified laboratory, the car has a range of 221 miles (356 km). The
company and reviewers state that the Tesla Roadster accelerates from
zero to 60 mph (100 km/h) in less than four seconds, and has a top
speed of 125 mph (201 km/h) (limited for safety). The cost of powering
the vehicle is estimated at US$0.02 per mile."

Mostly marketing of course.

Dave.