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stryped

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My Dewalt 18 volt corless drill died. A new battery is 80 bucks. I read
somewhere I can take apart the battery case and replace the internal
battery packs much cheaper. Is this true and can I save alot of money
doing it this way? Is it hard?
 
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Arfa Daily

stryped said:
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My Dewalt 18 volt corless drill died. A new battery is 80 bucks. I read
somewhere I can take apart the battery case and replace the internal
battery packs much cheaper. Is this true and can I save alot of money
doing it this way? Is it hard?

Not hard if you can solder, but bear in mind that there's gonna be 15 of
those suckers in there, probably C size, but maybe one of the odder sizes
like R14. By the time that you've found that many cells in a decent quality
that's going to last more than a few months, you might not be much in
compared to buying the genuine article complete with a shiny new DeWalt
warranty.

Arfa
 
stryped said:
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My Dewalt 18 volt corless drill died. A new battery is 80 bucks. I read
somewhere I can take apart the battery case and replace the internal
battery packs much cheaper. Is this true and can I save alot of money
doing it this way? Is it hard?

How did it die, just low voltage? If that is the case, then some of
the cells have shorted. If it is a nicad battery, you can burn open
the shorted cells with a 3 - 12 volt battery. You need a voltmeter to
see which cells are shorted after you open the case, Then you put the
shorted cell across a voltage source for 1 second to blow the short
open. If you don't have experience with batteries and voltmeters and
burning cells open, find someone who does as you can cause the cell to
explode if you reverse the voltage or leave the source applied for more
than one second.

I suggest googling on the battery part number, there are many sellers
of batteries on the web who charge about 60% of the manufacturer's
battery prices. I just did that for a 12 V battery for my Ryobi drill.
The original battery pack had been repaired several times, but wasn't
holding a charge any longer,

H. R. (Bob) Hofmann
 
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stryped

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It just quit working. Even after charging overnight. I got some sort of
error beeping on my charger too.

I have a voltmeter and know how to use it. I can solder but am not the
world's greatest although never "blew" a battery open. Can you explain
how that works one more time?

What are the chances that just one cell is bad and needs to be
replaced? Seems like that would be a cheap fix.

Right now the drill wont even move though.

I really appreciate your help!
 
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stryped

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How do I tell shich cells are shorted with a voltmeter? Are you saying
they will appear as low or no voltage?
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

My Dewalt 18 volt corless drill died. A new battery is 80 bucks. I read
somewhere I can take apart the battery case and replace the internal
battery packs much cheaper. Is this true and can I save alot of money
doing it this way? Is it hard?

You can, but buying the 15 cells needed is unlikely to save you much
money, if any. Remember the maker buys them by the million and gets big
discounts. Not all cells are of the same quality - and I'd expect DeWalt
to use decent ones, so take this into account when pricing.

The size you need is an industrial size - Sub-C - and you'll probably have
to get them from an electronics supplier. Tagged cells are easier to
solder to without risk of damage - the originals will be spot welded. You
might find a supplier who will weld them for you.

It can be cheaper to buy another maker's battery which is on special offer
and rob it of its cells.
 
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g. beat

stryped said:
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My Dewalt 18 volt corless drill died. A new battery is 80 bucks. I read
somewhere I can take apart the battery case and replace the internal
battery packs much cheaper. Is this true and can I save alot of money
doing it this way? Is it hard?

IF you are looking for replacement cells, E.H. Yost (Batteries America) in
Middleton, Wisconsin not only can supply the cells - BUT will spot weld the
tabs IF required (a very nice service - that not all suppliers /
distributors offer)
http://www.batteriesamerica.com/

They have a large catalog of the Sanyo cells Ni-Cad and Ni-MH (high
capacity, fast charge. standard capacity) - in a wide variety of sizes.

g. beat
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

IF you are looking for replacement cells, E.H. Yost (Batteries America)
in Middleton, Wisconsin not only can supply the cells - BUT will spot
weld the tabs IF required (a very nice service - that not all suppliers
/ distributors offer) http://www.batteriesamerica.com/
They have a large catalog of the Sanyo cells Ni-Cad and Ni-MH (high
capacity, fast charge. standard capacity) - in a wide variety of sizes.

They charge $4.95 each for Sub-C 2400mAh Sanyo Ni-Cads, so that would be
$74.25 before postage etc. ;-)
 
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g. beat

They charge $4.95 each for Sub-C 2400mAh Sanyo Ni-Cads, so that would be
$74.25 before postage etc. ;-)

--
Dave -

That is correct - if all cells are bad (or if you wish to replace all).
With the British Pound Sterling and US dollar exchange rates - it should be
a bargain :)

Sanyo does have manufacturing facilities across the globe, and you can find
a specific regional or country distributor on their web site.
http://www.sanyo.com/batteries/industrial.cfm

g. beat
 
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larry moe 'n curly

stryped said:
It just quit working. Even after charging overnight. I got some sort of
error beeping on my charger too.

I have a voltmeter and know how to use it. I can solder but am not the
world's greatest although never "blew" a battery open. Can you explain
how that works one more time?

What are the chances that just one cell is bad and needs to be
replaced? Seems like that would be a cheap fix.

It's common for a single cell to fail, usually by going into reverse
polarity or by developing an internal short.

Reverse polarity can be fixed by charging just that cell alone. You'll
need a source of DC voltage higher than the 1.25V of the cell and a
resistor in series with it to limit the current (50-200mA for a
C-cell). You can even use an alkaline cell with a 5-10 ohm resistor in
series with it by connecting them for about 30 seconds and then
charging the whole battery pack normally.

A shorted cell can sometimes be fixed by zapping it with brief pulses
of higher voltage, like 12-50V, from a capacitor (connect "+" of cap
to "+" of cell, "-" of cap to "-" of cell) to vaporize the short, but
almost always the short grows back in a few days. I zap until the
popping sound from the arc weakens, which I think indicates that the
short has disappeared.

To solder in a new cell you'll need an iron with plenty of power, at
least 40W, but 45-50W is better, and it helps a lot to sand the ends of
the cell and apply some rosin flux (not acid flux) to it. I would tin
any wires before soldering it to the cells, but it's possible that
there isn't enough room inside the battery case for decent size wire,
so you may have to instead use strips of copper or brass (from a hobby
shop or real hardware store). Try to complete the soldering quickly,
to prevent damaging the cell from heat. This is why you want to use
the 40-50W iron, sand the metal, use rosin flux, and tin the wire or
metal strips.
 
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stryped

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How do I tell what amp battery I need to match the rest of the cells.
 
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Arfa Daily

stryped said:
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How do I tell what amp battery I need to match the rest of the cells.

Hard to tell, unless they are marked.

Arfa
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

That is correct - if all cells are bad (or if you wish to replace all).

I'd not mix old and new.
With the British Pound Sterling and US dollar exchange rates - it
should be a bargain :)

They are a good price, but not good enough to import and pay carriage and
possibly duty. ;-)
 
It just quit working. Even after charging overnight. I got some sort of
error beeping on my charger too.
Right now the drill wont even move though.

This makes think the thermal protection circuit went bad. No voltage at
all and the error beeps on attempted charging. Not familiar with DeWalt
but the Makitas that I have have a 3rd terminal on them. If this is
open the battery will not charge and you get the error beeps. This is
usually a thermal relay that opens up if the batteries get too hot
while charging or in use.
BTW I have used "salvaged" batteries in my bad Makitas. Soldering can
be a pain and the post about a big iron is right on. I use a big gun
with the tip cut off. Like a poor man's spot welder except I use
solder. Keeping the tabs as long as possible. I also keep one union
open until the last cell is in the pack. Nothing more exciting than a
shorted pack!
As far as capacity I usually don't worry about it as the smaller
capacities use cells that are shorter so you can tell by the entenders.

I have 15 of them running now. At ~ $60 new that can add up. But I have
gotten great deals on eBay.
Richard
 
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James Sweet

stryped said:
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It just quit working. Even after charging overnight. I got some sort of
error beeping on my charger too.

I have a voltmeter and know how to use it. I can solder but am not the
world's greatest although never "blew" a battery open. Can you explain
how that works one more time?

What are the chances that just one cell is bad and needs to be
replaced? Seems like that would be a cheap fix.

Right now the drill wont even move though.

Sounds like the thermal fuse inside the pack blew.
 
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Mike_in_SD

I have a similar problem

If I charge my battery for an hour, it works like a champ

but ..

If I leave the battery on the charger overnight, it acts like it
barely has a charge.

You would think that it would do a quick charge, then drop
to a funtional trickle charge.




[email protected] (James Sweet) wrote in <Ss1og.8386$Wl.2528
@trnddc01>:
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

This makes think the thermal protection circuit went bad. No voltage at
all and the error beeps on attempted charging. Not familiar with DeWalt
but the Makitas that I have have a 3rd terminal on them. If this is
open the battery will not charge and you get the error beeps. This is
usually a thermal relay that opens up if the batteries get too hot
while charging or in use.

On most I've seen it is simply a sensor that shuts down the charger - it's
not a cut-out.
BTW I have used "salvaged" batteries in my bad Makitas. Soldering can
be a pain and the post about a big iron is right on. I use a big gun
with the tip cut off. Like a poor man's spot welder except I use
solder. Keeping the tabs as long as possible. I also keep one union
open until the last cell is in the pack. Nothing more exciting than a
shorted pack!
As far as capacity I usually don't worry about it as the smaller
capacities use cells that are shorter so you can tell by the entenders.

Same physical size cells come in different capacities, and the cheaper
ones tend to be at the low end.
I have 15 of them running now. At ~ $60 new that can add up. But I have
gotten great deals on eBay.

The performance of a drill etc depends very much on the maximum current a
cell can deliver. In many cases a cheap drill can be much improved by
using decent cells - but then it's no longer a cheap drill. And decent
cells have a longer life - if charged properly. Many cheap drills come
with chargers which can easily damage even decent cells through
overcharging. But the likes of Makita should have decent chargers.
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

I have a similar problem
If I charge my battery for an hour, it works like a champ
If I leave the battery on the charger overnight, it acts like it
barely has a charge.
You would think that it would do a quick charge, then drop
to a funtional trickle charge.

Depends. Some cheap drill chargers have no more than a DC source with a
resistor in series, and charge in say 4 hours. If you leave them on longer
it will ruin the batteries. I'd look inside the charger base for signs of
proper electronics.

The best basic charger does a 1/10th capacity constant current charge
which requires some 14 hours from flat. This can be achieved by adding one
transistor and a few components. It's the kindest way to charge batteries
and they will last longer. Even the most sophisticated fast charger will
shorten battery life over one of these.
 
On most I've seen it is simply a sensor that shuts down the charger - it's
not a cut-out.
Actually I've got a bunch right here. This one is made by Klixon
YS11A45B-005-T F3AB. It reads 0 ohms at 72º F. Another one from a
Makita reads the same looks like the same type. However there is
another one that reads infinity at room temp. It looks like a bead
Tantalum capacitor.
Same physical size cells come in different capacities, and the cheaper
ones tend to be at the low end.
Well the one's I salvaged are all Makitas, exact same cell or Bosch
which were brand new but looked like they'd been run over. Also I use
Sanyo, Panasonic.
The performance of a drill etc depends very much on the maximum current a
cell can deliver. In many cases a cheap drill can be much improved by
using decent cells - but then it's no longer a cheap drill.
Agreed I'm just recycling batteries that would wind up in the land
fill. I pass on batteries that are of an obvious inferior quality. The
9.6V Makitas are 1500mAh. I try to match up the ratings of of the
batteries that I recover. I did have a test rig that would rate the Ahr
capacity of NiCads but I only used that on pro camera belts like Arri.
Richard
 
On most I've seen it is simply a sensor that shuts down the charger - it's
not a cut-out.
Actually I've got a bunch right here. This one is made by Klixon
YS11A45B-005-T F3AB. It reads 0 ohms at 72º F. Another one from a
Makita reads the same looks like the same type. However there is
another one that reads infinity at room temp. It looks like a bead
Tantalum capacitor.
Same physical size cells come in different capacities, and the cheaper
ones tend to be at the low end.
Well the one's I salvaged are all Makitas, exact same cell or Bosch
which were brand new but looked like they'd been run over. Also I use
Sanyo, Panasonic.
The performance of a drill etc depends very much on the maximum current a
cell can deliver. In many cases a cheap drill can be much improved by
using decent cells - but then it's no longer a cheap drill.
Agreed I'm just recycling batteries that would wind up in the land
fill. I pass on batteries that are of an obvious inferior quality. The
9.6V Makitas are 1500mAh. I try to match up the ratings of of the
batteries that I recover. I did have a test rig that would rate the Ahr
capacity of NiCads but I only used that on pro camera belts like Arri.
Richard
 
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