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Norm Mugford

Just found this on another site......
When I saw this, I thought of you Mr. BAss.

Create an e-annoyance, go to jail
By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010 -1028_3-6022491.html

Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.
It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on
posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without
disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as
long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I
guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is
buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice
Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in
prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv
Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's
annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

It's illegal to annoy
A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you
must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.

"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate
telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in
whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and
with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives
the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more
than two years, or both."

Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called
"Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to
prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and
with intent to annoy."

To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania
Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated,
must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it
politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice
vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved
in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by
comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to
cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying
someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write
something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants
to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes
to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail
describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's
enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file
charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is
hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a
feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through
e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He
added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office,
do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that
outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the
courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't
have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I
would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point,
but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys
someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice
Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case
involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous
political pamphlets.

If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it
is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be
squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.

And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt
compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that
the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet
was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce
it.

Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans'
personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.



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Stanley Barthfarkle

The key here is "intent"... It will be very hard to prove an Intent to
annoy, harass, etc, unless someone does something silly- like, say,
e-mailing someone's employer with the Intent to harass them by getting them
into trouble at work, or e-mailing his/her spouse with unfounded
allegations.

People will forever be able to post anonymous, trolling, oblivious drivel on
usenet because there is usually no intent to harm or harass anyone directly.
Even then, showing malicious intent is difficult. Think "cyberstalking".
Slander laws take care of the obvious, they are just trying to close the
loophole in electronic communication harassment. Calling someone an Asshole
doesn't count.
 
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Nick Markowitz

You still have the problem if some one is doing from an overseas server what
are the feds going to do go over and get Paul. Now there an idea:)
 
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Petem

Since my so beloved usenet server of my isp is soooooo bad,i have to
use goolge now (Grin...)

this is just what i was talking about on a blog with a die hard
republican,what this Govt is doing is worst that what the Chiese govt
has been doing in years,as lowering the rights of the poeple to freedom
of speech and just plane freedom,heck i have now more freedom here in
Canada them American have in the State!

and it supposed to be THE free country..

you know what, Big brother is just around the corner,leave Bush doing
his crazyness and you will have it

Just the spying on local poeple phone call without a warrant should
call for impeachment procedure on him,that was much more worst then
lying about his sexual practice with a stagiaire..

Sorry to offend some american here,but as a fellow seing from the
exterior,yet being more like in the front of an open windows,i just
cant stay sit and dont warn you about this "god given mission"
president...he will ruin your country and that would make me mad,cause
even if i said bad thing about the state,you are still our best allyes
and would rather have you there for a long time...(that would be much
better then having the chinese as allyes ;-) )
 
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Robert L Bass

You still have the problem if some one is doing from an overseas server
what are the feds going to do go over and get Paul. Now there an idea:)

There's scant evidence that he's actually overseas or, for that matter, that
his name is actually "Paul". In any case, his posts are on-topic and not
intended to harass. They are intended to provoke anger and in that much he
succeeds.
 
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Chub

Petem said:
Since my so beloved usenet server of my isp is soooooo bad,i have to
use goolge now (Grin...)

this is just what i was talking about on a blog with a die hard
republican,what this Govt is doing is worst that what the Chiese govt
has been doing in years,as lowering the rights of the poeple to freedom
of speech and just plane freedom,heck i have now more freedom here in
Canada them American have in the State!

and it supposed to be THE free country..

you know what, Big brother is just around the corner,leave Bush doing
his crazyness and you will have it

Just the spying on local poeple phone call without a warrant should
call for impeachment procedure on him,that was much more worst then
lying about his sexual practice with a stagiaire..

what do you care if someone is listening. Unless you're doing something
illegal?
Besides data mining was done by the NSA under Clinton also. In case you
don't know that is where computers listen to everything and then looks for
certain words or phrases. Once something interesting is found they then spy
on you. That is how we found out about Moussawi the last hijacker, but
thanks to the wall built between our intelligence agencies by Clinton so
they couldn't catch him giving secrets to the Chinese our CIA couldn't tell
the FBI what was up.

Sorry to offend some american here,but as a fellow seing from the
exterior,yet being more like in the front of an open windows,i just
cant stay sit and dont warn you about this "god given mission"
president...he will ruin your country and that would make me mad,cause
even if i said bad thing about the state,you are still our best allyes
and would rather have you there for a long time...(that would be much
better then having the chinese as allyes ;-) )

looks like you guys have enough problems of your own, without worrying about
ours.:)
 
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alarman

Petem said:
Since my so beloved usenet server of my isp is soooooo bad,i have to
use goolge now (Grin...)

this is just what i was talking about on a blog with a die hard
republican,what this Govt is doing is worst that what the Chiese govt
has been doing in years,as lowering the rights of the poeple to freedom
of speech and just plane freedom,heck i have now more freedom here in
Canada them American have in the State!

and it supposed to be THE free country..

you know what, Big brother is just around the corner,leave Bush doing
his crazyness and you will have it

Just the spying on local poeple phone call without a warrant should
call for impeachment procedure on him,that was much more worst then
lying about his sexual practice with a stagiaire..

Sorry to offend some american here,but as a fellow seing from the
exterior,yet being more like in the front of an open windows,i just
cant stay sit and dont warn you about this "god given mission"
president...he will ruin your country and that would make me mad,cause
even if i said bad thing about the state,you are still our best allyes
and would rather have you there for a long time...(that would be much
better then having the chinese as allyes ;-) )

Seems you've run your own country into the ground, and now you want to tell
us how to run ours.
js
 
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mikey

Petem said:
Since my so beloved usenet server of my isp is soooooo bad,i have to
use goolge now (Grin...)

this is just what i was talking about on a blog with a die hard
republican,what this Govt is doing is worst that what the Chiese govt
has been doing in years,as lowering the rights of the poeple to freedom
of speech and just plane freedom,heck i have now more freedom here in
Canada them American have in the State!

and it supposed to be THE free country..

you know what, Big brother is just around the corner,leave Bush doing
his crazyness and you will have it

Just the spying on local poeple phone call without a warrant should
call for impeachment procedure on him,that was much more worst then
lying about his sexual practice with a stagiaire..

Sorry to offend some american here,but as a fellow seing from the
exterior,yet being more like in the front of an open windows,i just
cant stay sit and dont warn you about this "god given mission"
president...he will ruin your country and that would make me mad,cause
even if i said bad thing about the state,you are still our best allyes
and would rather have you there for a long time...(that would be much
better then having the chinese as allyes ;-) )

You're worried about the Chinese? Just wait until Kim Jong Il gets an
aircraft carrier.
 
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Matt Ion

Norm said:
"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv
Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's
annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

This whole idea annoys me.

Can I get Dubya arrested now?


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Robert L Bass

You're worried about the Chinese? Just wait until Kim Jong Il gets an
aircraft carrier.

He can barely afford a ride in Jiminex' rowboat
 
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petem

Robert L Bass said:
There's scant evidence that he's actually overseas or, for that matter,
that his name is actually "Paul". In any case, his posts are on-topic and
not intended to harass. They are intended to provoke anger and in that
much he succeeds.

I feel that any post that try to change my mood to anger is an annoyance...

But that you cant understand..anger is your way of life..
 
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Robert L Bass

Besides data mining was done by the NSA under Clinton also.

TTBOMK, that was directed at international calls. The Bush
administration has illegally authorized wholesale wiretapping of
anyone who so much as speaks up against his terrorist policies.

You think Bin Laden is a threat to your security? Take another
look at Bush. He's the worst threat to American freedom, not to
mention the worst administration since Caligula.
--- snip Republican lies ---

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
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Robert L Bass

Can I get Dubya arrested now?

Probably not, but wait until Abramoff finishes testifying. Even
if he's not impeached as he should be, Bush's power is being
shredded by his association with the gang of thugs that control
the Republican party.
--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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petem

Hey! for once I just have to admit,you make sense!

(but I still had to edit your tag line ;-)
 
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