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aussieblu

Ideas please.

The 24 odd year old Voxson Radio Cassette unit in my 24 year old
300,000 km LC Lancer died on the weekend. The Shinwa cassette
mechanism is very dead. The Voxson is a two hole for each knob
and a square central hole between the two knobs style.

The problem is that the floor consol space, even if I hack some
more space out, isn't wide enough for a standard 180 mm Single
Din Unit. The widest space that I can make is about 165 mm. (6 &
1/2 "); there is a clock on one side of the radio slot (nice
reliable Jaco unit) and me on the other side so there is no room
to move outside the 165 mm at the facia (though, like the
Voxson, it can be wider once it's 1.5 " and full din size after
its 1.5 " behind the facia.)

I would like a radio cassette at least but ideally a radio
cassette that will also drive a CD stacker? Given it's my old
commute car I also don't want to double the car's value by
buying a high end unit over $400 (albeit if I was sure one would
fit I would consider it).

I have got the electronics working in the dead Voxson again but
the Shinwa cassette mechanism is broken. I do see some identical
Shinwa cassette mechanisms on the net in the US for around
US$100 but that would be a last resort as the Voxson is really
not in good shape (the plastic and rubber in it is all old and
brittle and some bits fell apart and disintegrated into dust
when I opened it and are now only bonding with help from
Selley's Superglue and some hot melt glue. Unfortunately the
Voxson replaced a Mitsubishi AM only radio I got after I bought
the car (new in 1980) and I had to hack the console a bit to fit
that so there is already a mess behind the Voxson faceplate
(otherwise I might refit the Mitsubishi AM radio and hide a head
unit somewhere else).


So my options seems to be:

a) Get a smaller unit. My number one preference But does
anyone have any clues where I can get a narrow unit (height and
depth isn't an issue)? My search of places like JB Hi Fi
Strathfield SuperCheap hasn't yielded anything but a very basic
no name $24 unit at Supercheap (and despite what my kids think,
even I am not totally tone deaf).

b) Somehow modify a larger unit so it fits in the smaller space
or inside an old radio chassis. Anyone done this type of job
successfully and if so, any tips?

c) If I can get one, buy another old unit at Cash Converters
that fits. Not my desired approach but if all else fails.

d) Buy an old unit from Cash Converters with an identical
working Shinwa cassette mechanism and fix the old Voxson.

e) Import a Classic Style radio from the US (new radio in old
style chassis) but their radio band range is not the same as
ours.

f) Buy a new car. I'd love too but my last $6.60 Lotto win is
going to do it.


Any suggestions?
 
L

Lord-Data

aussieblu said:
Ideas please.

The 24 odd year old Voxson Radio Cassette unit in my 24 year old
300,000 km LC Lancer died on the weekend. The Shinwa cassette
mechanism is very dead. The Voxson is a two hole for each knob
and a square central hole between the two knobs style.

The problem is that the floor consol space, even if I hack some
more space out, isn't wide enough for a standard 180 mm Single
Din Unit. The widest space that I can make is about 165 mm. (6 &
1/2 "); there is a clock on one side of the radio slot (nice
reliable Jaco unit) and me on the other side so there is no room
to move outside the 165 mm at the facia (though, like the
Voxson, it can be wider once it's 1.5 " and full din size after
its 1.5 " behind the facia.)

I would like a radio cassette at least but ideally a radio
cassette that will also drive a CD stacker? Given it's my old
commute car I also don't want to double the car's value by
buying a high end unit over $400 (albeit if I was sure one would
fit I would consider it).

I have got the electronics working in the dead Voxson again but
the Shinwa cassette mechanism is broken. I do see some identical
Shinwa cassette mechanisms on the net in the US for around
US$100 but that would be a last resort as the Voxson is really
not in good shape (the plastic and rubber in it is all old and
brittle and some bits fell apart and disintegrated into dust
when I opened it and are now only bonding with help from
Selley's Superglue and some hot melt glue. Unfortunately the
Voxson replaced a Mitsubishi AM only radio I got after I bought
the car (new in 1980) and I had to hack the console a bit to fit
that so there is already a mess behind the Voxson faceplate
(otherwise I might refit the Mitsubishi AM radio and hide a head
unit somewhere else).


So my options seems to be:

a) Get a smaller unit. My number one preference But does
anyone have any clues where I can get a narrow unit (height and
depth isn't an issue)? My search of places like JB Hi Fi
Strathfield SuperCheap hasn't yielded anything but a very basic
no name $24 unit at Supercheap (and despite what my kids think,
even I am not totally tone deaf).

b) Somehow modify a larger unit so it fits in the smaller space
or inside an old radio chassis. Anyone done this type of job
successfully and if so, any tips?

Why not remove the clock? 99% of aftermarket units now-a-days have a built
in electronic clock, so you wouldn't be losing a feature .. and that should
give you enough space to fit a standard DIN unit directly in ..
c) If I can get one, buy another old unit at Cash Converters
that fits. Not my desired approach but if all else fails.

d) Buy an old unit from Cash Converters with an identical
working Shinwa cassette mechanism and fix the old Voxson.

e) Import a Classic Style radio from the US (new radio in old
style chassis) but their radio band range is not the same as
ours.

f) Buy a new car. I'd love too but my last $6.60 Lotto win is
going to do it.

g) try a wreckers and replace the unit as-is with another identical?


Also, perhaps try aus.cars as another useful resource ..
 
K

KLR

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:02:10 GMT, "aussieblu"


Someone must sell radio/cassetteunits that fit this old standard -
there must be 10,000's of such cars on the road still needing them as
aftermarket replacements, You could try going to wreckers too and
looking for ones that will fit that space.

I think buying other old units - you will find they all have similar
age related problems with them, same with spending $100US on parts
(plus shipping and import duty etc) isnt really viable, specially if
something else in there dies.

As for buying a decent new unit - even if it is costing $400 or so -
you can always take it out of there when you sell the car, and put it
in your next one - or sell it second hand on Ebay and get some of the
price back. If you have had to drive the thing for nearly 25 years,
and presumably will for more years yet - you may as well enjoy
yourself.
 
J

John Crighton

Ideas please.

The 24 odd year old Voxson Radio Cassette unit in my 24 year old
300,000 km LC Lancer died on the weekend. The Shinwa cassette
mechanism is very dead. The Voxson is a two hole for each knob
and a square central hole between the two knobs style.

The problem is that the floor consol space, even if I hack some
more space out, isn't wide enough for a standard 180 mm Single
Din Unit. The widest space that I can make is about 165 mm. (6 &
1/2 "); there is a clock on one side of the radio slot (nice
reliable Jaco unit) and me on the other side so there is no room
to move outside the 165 mm at the facia (though, like the
Voxson, it can be wider once it's 1.5 " and full din size after
its 1.5 " behind the facia.)

I would like a radio cassette at least but ideally a radio
cassette that will also drive a CD stacker? Given it's my old
commute car I also don't want to double the car's value by
buying a high end unit over $400 (albeit if I was sure one would
fit I would consider it).

I have got the electronics working in the dead Voxson again but
the Shinwa cassette mechanism is broken. I do see some identical
Shinwa cassette mechanisms on the net in the US for around
US$100 but that would be a last resort as the Voxson is really
not in good shape (the plastic and rubber in it is all old and
brittle and some bits fell apart and disintegrated into dust
when I opened it and are now only bonding with help from
Selley's Superglue and some hot melt glue. Unfortunately the
Voxson replaced a Mitsubishi AM only radio I got after I bought
the car (new in 1980) and I had to hack the console a bit to fit
that so there is already a mess behind the Voxson faceplate
(otherwise I might refit the Mitsubishi AM radio and hide a head
unit somewhere else).


So my options seems to be:

a) Get a smaller unit. My number one preference But does
anyone have any clues where I can get a narrow unit (height and
depth isn't an issue)? My search of places like JB Hi Fi
Strathfield SuperCheap hasn't yielded anything but a very basic
no name $24 unit at Supercheap (and despite what my kids think,
even I am not totally tone deaf).

b) Somehow modify a larger unit so it fits in the smaller space
or inside an old radio chassis. Anyone done this type of job
successfully and if so, any tips?

c) If I can get one, buy another old unit at Cash Converters
that fits. Not my desired approach but if all else fails.

d) Buy an old unit from Cash Converters with an identical
working Shinwa cassette mechanism and fix the old Voxson.

e) Import a Classic Style radio from the US (new radio in old
style chassis) but their radio band range is not the same as
ours.

f) Buy a new car. I'd love too but my last $6.60 Lotto win is
going to do it.


Any suggestions?


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Regards
Blue

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Hello Blue,
try the wrecking yards. If you are in Sydney
this is one of my favourite wrecking yards
http://www.picknpayless.com.au/general.html
http://www.picknpayless.com.au/index.html
because you can walk around with your own
tools. I would be surprised if you didn't find
something to suit you at a decent price.
Take a small 12 volt battery pack with you to
test the radio cassette units that interest you.

At this yard there is a $2 entrance fee per person
so you might want to go on your own without kids
or assistants who get bored and tired easily, and
make a day of it. I just don't understand how
people can get bored in a place like that. :)

Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby
 
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aussieblu

Thanks for the ideas.
I am collecting bits to do a full restoration of this car (needs
new decals and paint badly but I plan to rebuild the engine as
well before it needs it) so I may have it for another 25 years
and I want to keep it original as possible so the clock stays. I
also think removing the clock may destroy the structural
integrity of the console and it will fall apart. It is old and
brittle plastic too. The wreckers is a good idea so I will give
them a try this weekend. there may be a newist small car with a
smaller than DIN 1 OEM unit fitted. All new units I have seen so
far (except the $24 dollar cheapie at Super Cheap) are a
standard 7" 180 cm DIN size and will not fit and I have tried
dozen of car audio places in Perth.
 
A

aussieblu

Hi All

Ended up going to a few wreckers and for $70 got three old
Kenwood radio cassette units that would fit. The best looking,
most powerful and most featured one, a KRC 2004, was
unfortunately dead. The next best, a KRC 2000, works fine. I
can't find a free manual for it on the web though. The 2000A is
a bit different although its manual was available on the US
Kenwood web site and was some help it working out how to set the
clock etc. It took a while to decipher the wiring to work with
the old Voxson graphic equaliser/ amp (and at its very low rated
output it needed a boost). So the remaining question is, as he
KRC 2000 claims to have automatic loudness control, how does it
work and how do I know if it is working?
 
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