Brinkley's at it again

Crash Gordon · Nov 4, 2007

This is really starting to piss me off...

http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/elrobo/stupidalarms/?action=view&current=binky-label.jpg

These guys never "inspected" anything on my systems of homes being sold.
This is an out and out ploy that they use to get new homeowners with
perfectly good working alarm systems to call them so they can rip them out
and lease them their crap. I took this label off one of my keypads in a home
that had recently changed ownership. The system's been up and working fine
for years and inspected by US...not them...prior to being put on the market
and then again yesterday when we made contact with the new owner.

I believe they pay the realtors to put these fraudlent stickers on alarm
keypads and panels. Fortunately, most new homeowners are smart enough to
call US from OUR decals and lawnsigns that are all over the home and
grounds. I don't believe they have ever entered this home to do an
"inspection". Bullshit.

Nick Lawrence · Nov 4, 2007

Assuming the stickers were provided by Brinks, and applied to various
non-brinks systems (such as the one installed by your company) by
realtors, it would appear to me to be an unfair (and therefore illegal)
business practice on the part of Brinks.

Jim Rojas · Nov 4, 2007

If the realtor is acting as an agent for Brinks Home Security, simply
contact your state's contractors licensing board and see if the Realtor
has a license to also do alarm sales. If not, report it as unlicensed
activity on the part of the realtor.

Brinks may be violating state law by hiring realtors not license or
properly registered as a alarm sales agents. It's one thing to place a
door hanger on the outside of the house. But by placing a Brinks label
on any equipment that may or maynot be leased, is in direct violation of
your protective service agreement. The realtor nor Brinks has any idea
if the installed equipment is leased of not. You may have grounds for
tortuous interference if the customer did not completely fulfill the
terms of your contract.

In Florida, even a licensed electrical contractor must also carry an
statewide EF or EG alarm license in order to do any work to any burglar
or fire alarm system. All alarm companies must have employees,
salespeople, or agents that are required to be registered, background
checked, fingerprinted, and a 60 hour training class under their belt
before they can do any door to door sales.

Jim Rojas

Frank Olson · Nov 4, 2007

Crash said:
This is really starting to piss me off...

http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/elrobo/stupidalarms/?action=view&current=binky-label.jpg

These guys never "inspected" anything on my systems of homes being sold.
This is an out and out ploy that they use to get new homeowners with
perfectly good working alarm systems to call them so they can rip them out
and lease them their crap. I took this label off one of my keypads in a home
that had recently changed ownership. The system's been up and working fine
for years and inspected by US...not them...prior to being put on the market
and then again yesterday when we made contact with the new owner.

I believe they pay the realtors to put these fraudlent stickers on alarm
keypads and panels. Fortunately, most new homeowners are smart enough to
call US from OUR decals and lawnsigns that are all over the home and
grounds. I don't believe they have ever entered this home to do an
"inspection". Bullshit.

I agree with Jim. You should pursue a "licensing complaint". I'd also
look into the rules about "inspection services". If the alarm system to
which this label was affixed has smoke detectors, you're opening a big
can of worms by putting an "inspected by" sticker on the keypad or can.

Crash Gordon · Nov 4, 2007

In this city you need a burg alarm biz lic. and sales people and techs also
need alarm agent licenses...which I seriously doubt that a realtor has.
Problem is I can't prove that the realtors are putting them there...although
I know it's gotta be them - after all why would Brinks send a tech out for
free to "inspect" systems they know nothing about?!...and would rip out
anyway if they got their foot in the door!

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > This is really starting to piss me off...
| >
| >
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/elrobo/stupidalarms/?action=view&current=binky-label.jpg
| >
| > These guys never "inspected" anything on my systems of homes being sold.
| > This is an out and out ploy that they use to get new homeowners with
| > perfectly good working alarm systems to call them so they can rip them
out
| > and lease them their crap. I took this label off one of my keypads in a
home
| > that had recently changed ownership. The system's been up and working
fine
| > for years and inspected by US...not them...prior to being put on the
market
| > and then again yesterday when we made contact with the new owner.
| >
| > I believe they pay the realtors to put these fraudlent stickers on alarm
| > keypads and panels. Fortunately, most new homeowners are smart enough to
| > call US from OUR decals and lawnsigns that are all over the home and
| > grounds. I don't believe they have ever entered this home to do an
| > "inspection". Bullshit.
|
|
| I agree with Jim. You should pursue a "licensing complaint". I'd also
| look into the rules about "inspection services". If the alarm system to
| which this label was affixed has smoke detectors, you're opening a big
| can of worms by putting an "inspected by" sticker on the keypad or can.

Frank Olson · Nov 5, 2007

Crash said:
In this city you need a burg alarm biz lic. and sales people and techs also
need alarm agent licenses...which I seriously doubt that a realtor has.
Problem is I can't prove that the realtors are putting them there...although
I know it's gotta be them - after all why would Brinks send a tech out for
free to "inspect" systems they know nothing about?!...and would rip out
anyway if they got their foot in the door!

It doesn't matter who put the sticker there. If it's a Brinks sticker,
then the individual that INSPECTED the system has to be licensed (and
they have to have a record of the inspection), n'est pas?

Crash Gordon · Nov 5, 2007

yah yah...got it now.

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > In this city you need a burg alarm biz lic. and sales people and techs
also
| > need alarm agent licenses...which I seriously doubt that a realtor has.
| > Problem is I can't prove that the realtors are putting them
there...although
| > I know it's gotta be them - after all why would Brinks send a tech out
for
| > free to "inspect" systems they know nothing about?!...and would rip out
| > anyway if they got their foot in the door!
|
| It doesn't matter who put the sticker there. If it's a Brinks sticker,
| then the individual that INSPECTED the system has to be licensed (and
| they have to have a record of the inspection), n'est pas?

Crash Gordon · Nov 5, 2007

Yah but I did the pre-sale inspection !!!! - someone put that sticker on
AFTER I was there!

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| because Brinks does it all the time....
| they DO have an inspection department.
| the house inspector calls brinks, and has them
| come out, do an inspection on the system that
| is there...and if it's powered up, they check all openings
| and components to see
| what's working. if it's not powered up, they DO NOT power it
| up, but instead, leave a work order detailing what is in the
| house, and what MAY be working. and yes, they do it
| for free, banking on the new buyer to go with brinks.
| they are not really there to "inspect" the current system, but to see
| what it may take to get a brinks system up and running in that
| particular house.
|
|
|
| "...although
| > I know it's gotta be them - after all why would Brinks send a tech out
for
| > free to "inspect" systems they know nothing about?!...and would rip out
| > anyway if they got their foot in the door!
|
|

Crash Gordon · Nov 5, 2007

I thought of that...but hmmm well I just wouldn't do that. Thought of
driving around with a bunch of my signs and replacing all their's...and when
asked...just tell the people we bought them out

Frank Olson · Nov 5, 2007

Crash said:
yah yah...got it now.

Go get 'em, Tiger!

Frank Olson · Nov 5, 2007

Crash said:
This is really starting to piss me off...

http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/elrobo/stupidalarms/?action=view&current=binky-label.jpg

These guys never "inspected" anything on my systems of homes being sold.
This is an out and out ploy that they use to get new homeowners with
perfectly good working alarm systems to call them so they can rip them out
and lease them their crap. I took this label off one of my keypads in a home
that had recently changed ownership. The system's been up and working fine
for years and inspected by US...not them...prior to being put on the market
and then again yesterday when we made contact with the new owner.

I believe they pay the realtors to put these fraudlent stickers on alarm
keypads and panels. Fortunately, most new homeowners are smart enough to
call US from OUR decals and lawnsigns that are all over the home and
grounds. I don't believe they have ever entered this home to do an
"inspection". Bullshit.

Y'know... Around here whenever a store or retail mall opens, ADT and
Protectron "plaster" their contact stickers all over the place. *They*
are engaged in something far more legitimate than a "fake" inspection of
existing equipment. For a supposed "industry leader", Brinks is sure a
shady outfit.

Frank Olson · Nov 5, 2007

BDEBJ said:
just because you "believe" does not make it so....you have no idea
what they do. all of you guys come to all of these conclusions
based on what you "wish".

I "wish" Brinks would shoot themselves in their corporate foot a few
more times. Their present tactics makes it really easy to sell against
them. I enjoy a challenge.

Crash Gordon · Nov 5, 2007

Uh...no not really. I don't go into homes with an existing alarm system and
alarm signs and decals on it already and slap my decals on their keypads.
Nope I don't. If someone calls me to inspect their alarm and it's working
fine and I can take it over...yep I do do that...but I don't try to sell
them an alarm if they don't need it - and I ESPECIALLY don't sell them a
proprietary alarm ever never.

Nope it's NOT the same.

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| maybe the buyer wanted to "shop around" and wanted another estimate.
| anytime brinks goes into a house, they WILL try to sell their alarm to the
| buyer....it's what they do, just as you...try to make a sale.
|
|
|
|
|
| | > Yah but I did the pre-sale inspection !!!! - someone put that sticker on
| > AFTER I was there!
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > Crash Gordon
| > -------ouch------
| >
| > 
| > | > | because Brinks does it all the time....
| > | they DO have an inspection department.
| > | the house inspector calls brinks, and has them
| > | come out, do an inspection on the system that
| > | is there...and if it's powered up, they check all openings
| > | and components to see
| > | what's working. if it's not powered up, they DO NOT power it
| > | up, but instead, leave a work order detailing what is in the
| > | house, and what MAY be working. and yes, they do it
| > | for free, banking on the new buyer to go with brinks.
| > | they are not really there to "inspect" the current system, but to see
| > | what it may take to get a brinks system up and running in that
| > | particular house.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "...although
| > | > I know it's gotta be them - after all why would Brinks send a tech
out
| > for
| > | > free to "inspect" systems they know nothing about?!...and would rip
| > out
| > | > anyway if they got their foot in the door!
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Crash Gordon · Nov 5, 2007

Oh please.

This has happened time and time again. House goes on the market, existing
homeowner or management company or real estate company or warranty company
calls us to do an inspection before it's sold...we do it...4 months later
the house is sold the new owner calls US we go out and find Brinkley
stickers all over the place. You think I put Brinkee stickers on my own
systems?

Sheesh.

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| just because you "believe" does not make it so....you have no idea
| what they do. all of you guys come to all of these conclusions
| based on what you "wish".
|
|
| ">
| > I believe they pay the realtors to put these fraudlent stickers on alarm
| > keypads and panels. Fortunately, most new homeowners are smart enough to
| > call US from OUR decals and lawnsigns that are all over the home and
| > grounds. I don't believe they have ever entered this home to do an
| > "inspection". Bullshit.
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > Crash Gordon
| > -------ouch------
| >
| > 
| >
| >
|
|

Frank Olson · Nov 5, 2007

Roland said:
I am sure you'd get hauled into court too, right behind Jim..

Only if he puts HIS phone number and contact information on them.

Nomen Nescio · Nov 6, 2007

These guys never "inspected" anything on my systems of homes being sold.

This is an out and out ploy that they use to get new homeowners with
perfectly good working alarm systems to call them so they can rip them out
and lease them their crap. I took this label off one of my keypads in a home
that had recently changed ownership. The system's been up and working fine
for years and inspected by US...not them...prior to being put on the market
and then again yesterday when we made contact with the new owner.

Call Mark Sableman. I'm sure he'll be happy to correct this problem for
you.

Nomen Nescio
Sock puppet for Mark Sableman

Crash Gordon · Nov 6, 2007

Sheesh, man don't tell me who called me! The seller was a client of mine for
years, he called to have the system inspected before he put the house to the
realtor. Then the other day the new homeowner called me to do a follow up
and add a couple of things, that's when I found the stickers.

Many of my clients call me to have their systems inspected before they put
them on the market, so they can show the realtor or buyer that they did
their part in keeping the system ship-shape. If they don't then the realty
co. or management company calls.

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| no, i think the potential buyer called you, brinks and maybe adt, and a
few
| others
| to see what there is to offer....brinks is the only one who puts stickers
| everywhere so the buyer will have a # to call.....after all the bidding,
| they call you back for whatever reason (cheaper monitoring, no
| contract...whatever).
|
|
|
| | > Oh please.
| >
| > This has happened time and time again. House goes on the market,
existing
| > homeowner or management company or real estate company or warranty
company
| > calls us to do an inspection before it's sold...we do it...4 months
later
| > the house is sold the new owner calls US we go out and find Brinkley
| > stickers all over the place. You think I put Brinkee stickers on my own
| > systems?
| >
| > Sheesh.
| >
| > --
| > Crash Gordon
| > -------ouch------
| >
| > 
| > | > | just because you "believe" does not make it so....you have no idea
| > | what they do. all of you guys come to all of these conclusions
| > | based on what you "wish".
| > |
| > |
| > | ">
| > | > I believe they pay the realtors to put these fraudlent stickers on
| > alarm
| > | > keypads and panels. Fortunately, most new homeowners are smart
enough
| > to
| > | > call US from OUR decals and lawnsigns that are all over the home and
| > | > grounds. I don't believe they have ever entered this home to do an
| > | > "inspection". Bullshit.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Crash Gordon
| > | > -------ouch------
| > | >
| > | > 
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Crash Gordon · Nov 6, 2007

Probably since it had to have been done BEFORE the house closed.

Although, I always turn off the monitoring while the system is on the
market, but I suppose it technically is still my system until the new owner
closes on the sale of the house.

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| Just curious but were those systems still yours when Brinks did the
| "inspections"?
|
| | > Oh please.
| >
| > This has happened time and time again. House goes on the market,
existing
| > homeowner or management company or real estate company or warranty
company
| > calls us to do an inspection before it's sold...we do it...4 months
later
| > the house is sold the new owner calls US we go out and find Brinkley
| > stickers all over the place. You think I put Brinkee stickers on my own
| > systems?
| >
| > Sheesh.
| >
| > --
| > Crash Gordon
| > -------ouch------
| >
| > 
| > | > | just because you "believe" does not make it so....you have no idea
| > | what they do. all of you guys come to all of these conclusions
| > | based on what you "wish".
| > |
| > |
| > | ">
| > | > I believe they pay the realtors to put these fraudlent stickers on
| alarm
| > | > keypads and panels. Fortunately, most new homeowners are smart
enough
| to
| > | > call US from OUR decals and lawnsigns that are all over the home and
| > | > grounds. I don't believe they have ever entered this home to do an
| > | > "inspection". Bullshit.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Crash Gordon
| > | > -------ouch------
| > | >
| > | > 
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Crash Gordon · Nov 6, 2007

Oh shit then I'm in deep Rojas, because I have a bunch o'dem stickas.

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| Despite the fact that Brinks just ordered these stickers from some
| manufacturer somewhere to have the message Brinks desired placed on the
| paper, I am sure Brinks is going to follow that same legal arguments it
has
| to date. Brinks has paid for the paper, or a paper like material, for the
| stickers as well as the printing on the stickers no less, therefore paper
| manufacturing and the printing process itself must be Brinks trade
secrets.
| Unauthorized use and placement of the stickers is therefore disclosure of
| Brinks trade secrets. Brinks never sells these stickers so possession of
| these stickers is a crime as well.
|
message
| | > Roland Moore wrote:
| > >> You think I put Brinkee stickers on my own systems?
| > >
| > > I am sure you'd get hauled into court too, right behind Jim..
| >
| >
| > Only if he puts HIS phone number and contact information on them.

|
|

Crash Gordon · Nov 6, 2007

and btw, the new homeowner ends up with us in the end because they too think
it's stoopid to replace a working system with something else with less
coverage (and if they read brinkes contract that cinches the deal for us).

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------


| no, i think the potential buyer called you, brinks and maybe adt, and a
few
| others
| to see what there is to offer....brinks is the only one who puts stickers
| everywhere so the buyer will have a # to call.....after all the bidding,
| they call you back for whatever reason (cheaper monitoring, no
| contract...whatever).
|
|
|
| | > Oh please.
| >
| > This has happened time and time again. House goes on the market,
existing
| > homeowner or management company or real estate company or warranty
company
| > calls us to do an inspection before it's sold...we do it...4 months
later
| > the house is sold the new owner calls US we go out and find Brinkley
| > stickers all over the place. You think I put Brinkee stickers on my own
| > systems?
| >
| > Sheesh.
| >
| > --
| > Crash Gordon
| > -------ouch------
| >
| > 
| > | > | just because you "believe" does not make it so....you have no idea
| > | what they do. all of you guys come to all of these conclusions
| > | based on what you "wish".
| > |
| > |
| > | ">
| > | > I believe they pay the realtors to put these fraudlent stickers on
| > alarm
| > | > keypads and panels. Fortunately, most new homeowners are smart
enough
| > to
| > | > call US from OUR decals and lawnsigns that are all over the home and
| > | > grounds. I don't believe they have ever entered this home to do an
| > | > "inspection". Bullshit.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Crash Gordon
| > | > -------ouch------
| > | >
| > | > 
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

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