Ademco 6139 with 5827BD Keypad

[Marc]

Anyone gotten one of these to work? I realize the 6139 (older version
I think-longer vertical than horizontal), have the panel set to address
16 where there is a visible display (28,29,30 = no display). Tried
cutting jumpers on the 5800TM transmitter to changes the addresses
mentioned above, and making the panel non-addressable by setting to 31
(=no display condition). It is an ADT branded panel used witha Vista
20P board, and seems to wrok just fine otherwise. Also using the 5882
remote RF receiver (I think it's the Canadian version, but works with
all transmitters I tried it with, door/window, smoke alarm, glassbreak,
etc.....also works fine with 5827BD except for indication of armed
status if I change the panel to a 6150 non-alpha keypad).

This one is driving me crazy, maybe thinking of going to a more
advanced keypad anyways. Picked up the 6139 cheap at a GoodWill thrift
store for a buck, and it does allow me to program the system....Any
help/advice appreciated!

Marc

 

[Neo]

Hi Marc ,

Yes all that works
Address 6139 as 16 if you address it anything other than that like 17
enable *190 10
For 5800TM cut the red jumper , for 5882 receiver all dips are to off.
For 5827 to work just enable fields 24 as 10 in panel.

Also do not mix with 6150rf Either you use 5882 + 5800TM or simply
61550rf


Regards,
Neo

 

[Crash Gordon]

6139 is not longer vertically than horizontal

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Crash Gordon
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<I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe>
| Anyone gotten one of these to work? I realize the 6139 (older version
| I think-longer vertical than horizontal), have the panel set to address
| 16 where there is a visible display (28,29,30 = no display). Tried
| cutting jumpers on the 5800TM transmitter to changes the addresses
| mentioned above, and making the panel non-addressable by setting to 31
| (=no display condition). It is an ADT branded panel used witha Vista
| 20P board, and seems to wrok just fine otherwise. Also using the 5882
| remote RF receiver (I think it's the Canadian version, but works with
| all transmitters I tried it with, door/window, smoke alarm, glassbreak,
| etc.....also works fine with 5827BD except for indication of armed
| status if I change the panel to a 6150 non-alpha keypad).
|
| This one is driving me crazy, maybe thinking of going to a more
| advanced keypad anyways. Picked up the 6139 cheap at a GoodWill thrift
| store for a buck, and it does allow me to program the system....Any
| help/advice appreciated!
|
| Marc

 

[Crash Gordon]

That the one with the curved top and sliding door?



--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------

<I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe>
| The ADT version is, if I recall its the 6139B. Kinda big and ugly
|
| | > 6139 is not longer vertically than horizontal
| >
| > --
| > Crash Gordon
| > -------ouch------
| >
| > <I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe>
| > | > | Anyone gotten one of these to work? I realize the 6139 (older version
| > | I think-longer vertical than horizontal), have the panel set to
address
| > | 16 where there is a visible display (28,29,30 = no display). Tried
| > | cutting jumpers on the 5800TM transmitter to changes the addresses
| > | mentioned above, and making the panel non-addressable by setting to 31
| > | (=no display condition). It is an ADT branded panel used witha Vista
| > | 20P board, and seems to wrok just fine otherwise. Also using the 5882
| > | remote RF receiver (I think it's the Canadian version, but works with
| > | all transmitters I tried it with, door/window, smoke alarm,
glassbreak,
| > | etc.....also works fine with 5827BD except for indication of armed
| > | status if I change the panel to a 6150 non-alpha keypad).
| > |
| > | This one is driving me crazy, maybe thinking of going to a more
| > | advanced keypad anyways. Picked up the 6139 cheap at a GoodWill
thrift
| > | store for a buck, and it does allow me to program the system....Any
| > | help/advice appreciated!
| > |
| > | Marc
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Marc]

Understood all except the part about enabling fields 24 as 10 in the
panel....don't get it? Do you mean *24? I thought that was the RF
toggle on/off? I tried to cut the red jumper on the 5800TM both with
and w/o changing the panel address, to no avail. Also, what does *190
10 do? Didn't get that part either. PS I'm not a pro alarm installer,
just a novice who has installed a few LYNX panels and had good luck with
those! Thanks for your help though, really appreciate it!

To other posters, yes it is a vertical style keypad with a flip-down
door, and the larger alpha-numeric display. It is in fact branded ADT-I
understand this has been replaced with the 6160? But this did allow me
to program the Vista board I snagged off CraigsList for $20. Only paid
$1 for the keypad....In fact, everything works great except the 5827
keypad.....I'm hoping Neo's solution works out!


Marc

 

[Neo]

Marc ,

Understood all except the part about enabling fields 24 as 10 in the
panel....don't get it? Do you mean *24? I thought that was the RF
toggle on/off?

24 will change the house ID to 10. Which will force the panel to look
for 5800TM

I tried to cut the red jumper on the 5800TM both with
and w/o changing the panel address, to no avail.

When you say panel address are you referring to *24. if yes thats what
I am not refering to .

The red jumper when cut on 5800TM would enable adress 28 on TM that
will make it to talk to panel.

Also, what does *190
10 do? Didn't get that part either.

The 20p panels or so you have to address each keypad to a unique
adress starting 16 the field *190 would enable address 17 for second
keypad. This part is only valid if you are using more than 1 keypad.

In fact, everything works great except the 5827
keypad.....I'm hoping Neo's solution works out!

In order to make 5827 work simply do following
* Cut red jumper on 5800TM
* do *24 10 in panel programing
* Set dip switches on 5827 for adrdess 10 that is usually on off on
off on off , double check the docs.


Hope this helps



Neo

 

[Crash Gordon]

Yah got it.
I've not seen many of them around.


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Crash Gordon
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<I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe>
| Yea, real big keypad, mostly wasted plastic
|
| | > That the one with the curved top and sliding door?
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > Crash Gordon
| > -------ouch------
| >
| > <I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe>
| > | > | The ADT version is, if I recall its the 6139B. Kinda big and ugly
| > |
| > | | > | > 6139 is not longer vertically than horizontal
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Crash Gordon
| > | > -------ouch------
| > | >
| > | > <I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe>
| > | > | > | > | Anyone gotten one of these to work? I realize the 6139 (older
| version
| > | > | I think-longer vertical than horizontal), have the panel set to
| > address
| > | > | 16 where there is a visible display (28,29,30 = no display).
Tried
| > | > | cutting jumpers on the 5800TM transmitter to changes the addresses
| > | > | mentioned above, and making the panel non-addressable by setting
to
| 31
| > | > | (=no display condition). It is an ADT branded panel used witha
| Vista
| > | > | 20P board, and seems to wrok just fine otherwise. Also using the
| 5882
| > | > | remote RF receiver (I think it's the Canadian version, but works
| with
| > | > | all transmitters I tried it with, door/window, smoke alarm,
| > glassbreak,
| > | > | etc.....also works fine with 5827BD except for indication of armed
| > | > | status if I change the panel to a 6150 non-alpha keypad).
| > | > |
| > | > | This one is driving me crazy, maybe thinking of going to a more
| > | > | advanced keypad anyways. Picked up the 6139 cheap at a GoodWill
| > thrift
| > | > | store for a buck, and it does allow me to program the
system....Any
| > | > | help/advice appreciated!
| > | > |
| > | > | Marc
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Marc]

Thanks Neo, suggestions worked perfectly! Leaving 6139 at address 16,
cut red jumper in 5800TM, House ID=10 (Field 24), everything works
beautifully!
One other question to Neo or Group:
When I arm the panel in AWAY mode, it seems to default to STAY all the
time. This bypasses the motion detector-set to Zone 04-Interior
Follower? I'm sure I've got something programmed wrong....

 

[Crash Gordon]

Turn Auto Stay off *84 = 0 (what Mark said)
Auto Stay switches arming mode to Stay if you don't open a delay door to
exit.

--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------

<I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe>
| Thanks Neo, suggestions worked perfectly! Leaving 6139 at address 16,
| cut red jumper in 5800TM, House ID=10 (Field 24), everything works
| beautifully!
| One other question to Neo or Group:
| When I arm the panel in AWAY mode, it seems to default to STAY all the
| time. This bypasses the motion detector-set to Zone 04-Interior
| Follower? I'm sure I've got something programmed wrong....
|
|
| Neo wrote:
| > Hi Marc ,
| >
| > Yes all that works
| > Address 6139 as 16 if you address it anything other than that like 17
| > enable *190 10
| > For 5800TM cut the red jumper , for 5882 receiver all dips are to off.
| > For 5827 to work just enable fields 24 as 10 in panel.
| >
| > Also do not mix with 6150rf Either you use 5882 + 5800TM or simply
| > 61550rf
| >
| >
| > Regards,
| > Neo
| >
| >
| >
| >> Anyone gotten one of these to work? I realize the 6139 (older
version
| >>I think-longer vertical than horizontal), have the panel set to address
| >>16 where there is a visible display (28,29,30 = no display). Tried
| >>cutting jumpers on the 5800TM transmitter to changes the addresses
| >>mentioned above, and making the panel non-addressable by setting to 31
| >>(=no display condition). It is an ADT branded panel used witha Vista
| >>20P board, and seems to wrok just fine otherwise. Also using the 5882
| >>remote RF receiver (I think it's the Canadian version, but works with
| >>all transmitters I tried it with, door/window, smoke alarm, glassbreak,
| >>etc.....also works fine with 5827BD except for indication of armed
| >>status if I change the panel to a 6150 non-alpha keypad).
| >>
| >> This one is driving me crazy, maybe thinking of going to a more
| >>advanced keypad anyways. Picked up the 6139 cheap at a GoodWill thrift
| >>store for a buck, and it does allow me to program the system....Any
| >>help/advice appreciated!
| >>
| >>Marc
| >
| >
| >

 

[Marc]

Got it, thanks for all the replies. The system is working beautifully
now. One other question though, I must have the wrong set of instuctions
for the arm/disarm delay. Do I input the actual seconds in Fields 34,
35 to set whatever arming time I want? Using the 0, 1, 2 whatever on
this panel doesn't seem to do the trick right. Also, Monitronics had
installed the PIR detector (hardwired) as Zone 2, and right near the
front door where you would trip the alarm every time if it's set to
Interior Follower. Needed to be set up for a delay, so I put it at
specs for a Zone 10(Interior Delay). I removed their proprietary Vista
15P board and replaced with a generic 20P.
Other PIR is a wireless unit set up as Zone Type 4 in another room, to
trigger instantaneously, works great. 6139 seems to be a nice panel
though-might go to the voice responsive version later if step-mom would
rather have that.....

M

 

[Crash Gordon]

Yes, in 34 & 35 you put the actual seconds up to 96...but 97 will give you
120 secs not 97.

You may have a sticky switch on the front door or yes...the pir is picking
up the opening door too soon (it happens). What Monitronics did made sense,
but you should make sure that you set the Entry Delay 2 for something like
5 seconds maybe. BUT I'd check that front door contact too.

Stop calling the 6139 the "panel", it's the keypad...the panel is the Vista
20P.



--
Crash Gordon
-------ouch------

<I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe>
| Got it, thanks for all the replies. The system is working beautifully
| now. One other question though, I must have the wrong set of instuctions
| for the arm/disarm delay. Do I input the actual seconds in Fields 34,
| 35 to set whatever arming time I want? Using the 0, 1, 2 whatever on
| this panel doesn't seem to do the trick right. Also, Monitronics had
| installed the PIR detector (hardwired) as Zone 2, and right near the
| front door where you would trip the alarm every time if it's set to
| Interior Follower. Needed to be set up for a delay, so I put it at
| specs for a Zone 10(Interior Delay). I removed their proprietary Vista
| 15P board and replaced with a generic 20P.
| Other PIR is a wireless unit set up as Zone Type 4 in another room, to
| trigger instantaneously, works great. 6139 seems to be a nice panel
| though-might go to the voice responsive version later if step-mom would
| rather have that.....
|
| M
|
| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > Turn Auto Stay off *84 = 0 (what Mark said)
| > Auto Stay switches arming mode to Stay if you don't open a delay door to
| > exit.
| >