$20 million invested from Wall street into LENR

[amdx]

I'd like the skeptics to read this, there is a bit more info on
this might work.
Does it make any sense?


http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Ene...sion-Device-Attracts-Commercial-Interest.html

Mikek

 

[Glen Walpert]

I'd like the skeptics to read this, there is a bit more info on this
might work.
Does it make any sense?


http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Following-Rossis-E- Cat-Another-Cold-Fusion-Device-Attracts-Commercial-Interest.html

Mikek

Yes, this makes perfect sense. The P.T. Barnum business model is alive
and well, always has been and always will be.

Reminds me of a private equity scam an investor friend asked me to look
into a few years back, based on a patent the "inventors" got while at
Princeton university, which they claimed had successfully predicted an
epileptic seizure in a dog, and which they claimed they were going to
develop into a seizure predictor for humans with the 2 million in private
equity they were raising. The patent turned out to be for a random
'event' generator with programmable statistics. When I pointed out to
the lawyer attempting to raise the cash that there was no known means by
which this could work, he tried to give me this "everything was new once"
spiel, and I responded that if you were going to propose something which
violates the known laws of physics you need to have really exceptional
evidence, not a one off bad measurement like cold fusion, which is what
his dog seizure prediction appeared to be. After a brief pause he said
that he understood what I meant, he had raised capital for cold fusion
too, thanked me for my time and hung up.

You can be sure he made money on the cold fusion scam, and he or someone
like him will make money on LENR, and making money is what it is all
about.

 

[amdx]

Yes, this makes perfect sense. The P.T. Barnum business model is alive

and well, always has been and always will be.

I meant the physics.
I've already heard all those that think it's a scam.
Mikek

 

[Glen Walpert]

and well, always has been and always will be.

I meant the physics.
I've already heard all those that think it's a scam.
Mikek

What physics are you talking about - there is certainly *no* physics
involved with LENR or with raising $20 million capital for it. If they
ever published any actual physical analysis, it would be obvious to
everyone that it is a scam, so you can be certain that they will never do
that. The "physics" will remain secret until they have bilked every
possible dollar from the scam, as with all of the scams that preceded it
and all of those that will follow.

"Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science" by Marvin Gardner (free
download available, should be required reading for all high school
students) will give you the best explanation of LENR available.

 

[Glen Walpert]

Of course it's a scam. If it made enough neutrons to make any serious
amount of power, it would kill everyone nearby.

Perhaps he meant the physics of the scam, which has already been covered
here: they are using blatantly bogus methods of measuring both input
power (watts = volts x amps for an undisclosed AC waveform) and output
power (standard handbook equations for heat loss from a tank based on
surface temperature are only good to about 20% and therefore these
equations are fudged to calculate the high end of the typical error
range, since their intended use is sizing heaters and it is better to err
on the high side than the low side - not to mention the selection of
about the least accurate method available for measuring surface
temperature). In this regard they are one up on Pons and Fleishman, who
only used (the same) bogus methods to measure input power.

If the "NR" involved is fission, then it is very well established that
electrical current through a radioactive material will not affect decay
rate; only a neutron flux can do that. If it is fusion, then how do you
think it might be possible to get the nuclei close enough to fuse without
even providing enough energy to remove the electrons? There is
absolutely nothing about this that makes a lick of sense!

If it looks like a scam, walks like a scam, and quacks like a scam ...

 

[Martin Brown]

I'd like the skeptics to read this, there is a bit more info on
this might work.
Does it make any sense?

None whatsoever apart from the obvious trick of cold fusion scams
separating the terminally gullible from their wallet contents.

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Ene...sion-Device-Attracts-Commercial-Interest.html


Mikek

Send me $10 and I will tell you how to get rich kwik!

 

[Martin Brown]

The physics of the scam relies as always on bad calorimetry.

If the "NR" involved is fission, then it is very well established that
electrical current through a radioactive material will not affect decay
rate; only a neutron flux can do that. If it is fusion, then how do you
think it might be possible to get the nuclei close enough to fuse without
even providing enough energy to remove the electrons? There is
absolutely nothing about this that makes a lick of sense!

You could do it with protons in a Van der Graff machine into a lithium
target - atom smasher style but it isn't very energetically favourable.

If it looks like a scam, walks like a scam, and quacks like a scam ...

The only one that does sort of work is muon catalysed fusion - the real
physics that spooked Fleischmann & Pons into premature publication.